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Star Wars: The Mandalorian [** Spoilers **] [Disney+] (US Pace)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Would agree.

    Have watched both seasons of The Mandalorian twice now, and I think an awful lot of people see it through Rose tinted glasses.

    It's a good show, not a great show.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also, having just watched a series where the likes of Stellan Skarsgård, Fiona Shaw or Andy Serkis gave absolutely barnstorming speeches and monologues, it's jarring to watch a trailer whose lead character(s) are people with buckets on their heads

    Plus I will never stop hating it when shows insist on wrenching characters back into the narrative, even after what was obviously their goodbye.

    I think good is often Good Enough, but the bar has been set. The zeigeist will be interesting in Season 3, post Andor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    ... where the likes of Stellan Skarsgård, Fiona Shaw or Andy Serkis gave absolutely barnstorming speeches and monologues...

    And you were sucked in by not only the above but also the poisonous relationship between a small man and his smaller mother. Where a stuttering droid commenting on his master's bad knees can hit the feels more than a toy-maker's wet dream (Yoda, but CUTER!). Where the word Jedi, Sith, Lightaber or "May the Force be with you" is never mentioned (I may be wrong on the last bit but even if it is said, it is in a scathing, off-hand way). ALL while still loving the universe it inhabits.

    I sound like I'm harsher on Mando than I actually am. As I said, it's ... fine but yeah, hard to go back (And we ALL knew it would be from episode 1 of Andor). But, as I said in other posts, that universe is big enough for everyone and there are people out there who didn't like Andor and who LOVE this so, yay for them. I'll watch this of course. But can't say I will be on tenterhooks each week (Same as S1 & S2).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Pretty psyched for this now

    Says here it'll drop at 8 GMT tomorrow morning, which I think I can just about wait for




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Just seen the first episode. It was OK not great nothing new. I forgot a lot of what happened in season 1 and 2 so that does not help and the reminder at the beginning is not great either. As for the episode well it just seems dragged out him going from one place to the next and getting in a fight instead of just going to Mandalore ffs.


    On the plus side do Grogu was cute and funny again.


    Remind me again why did he remove his helmet? and I would still love to know if they can never remove their helmets how are they supposed to eat and drink as well as cut their hair which still grows under it and wash their face which is bound to get sweety and dirty.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,019 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    As far as I'm aware, it's that they can't remove their helmets unless they are alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Not had a chance to catch "&||" yet so I'll be approaching this on the back of the last 2 seasons and the Boba Fett series only.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    So why is grogu back, didn't he leave with Luke at the end of season 2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    He came back in The Book of Boba Fett. If you don't want to watch the whole season, Eps 5-7 of it explain his return and where Mando got his new ship.

    So the wee droid fixer is the same one as in the Rise of Skywalker.

    How was he able to track all the pirate ships, yet missed the massive one?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Cheers, that seems a bit stupid, especially since the book of boba fett is terrible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Very enjoyable season 3 opener.

    The anzellans are very fun....bad baby!

    The pirates were a bit meh...I could have done without the dodgy English? Accent of the main one...I guess they wanted a space battle for episode 1.

    It's hard not too judge it in a slightly different light after Andor....but that would be pretty harsh I guess it is a very different programme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I still don't like his new ship. His previous one was his home, with a few different rooms. Now he just about has a seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    3.1: Seems to me like them there Mandalorians could do with one of them there Javelin anti-tank missiles!

    That was grand but not sure where it was going. A lot of setup I'm guessing.

    So, Big Mission to get to these waters and maybe get Mandalore back.

    Medium Mission 1 to get the part for the Droid

    Medium Mission 2 to survive the pirates who are going to be out for him

    I wonder what Bo-Kataan is upto. Can't just sit in that empty hall all day.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    I think Andor has ruined this show for me, the fetch quests and perfunctory game like npc character interactions that were always a Mando staple just don't cut it for me anymore . If that first episode is in anyway representative of the quality of the season ahead then I'm out.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    I agree, Andor has given me a taste of something that Mando now can't satisfy. But that being said, it just felt off, the opening scene had a lot sound effects that sounded poor, the other Mandos standing around looked unpolished and the CGI of the ship was very 'CGI' if you know that I mean. I dunno, I loved S1 and S2, every episode was riveting, but this felt silly in more ways than one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    If I remember correctly Bo Katan and Mano were meant to duel each each other for the right to own the dark sabre. At the end of season two Mando took his helmet off so Grugo could see his face before he left with Skywalker. So you have to watch the Book of Bobo to make sense of it all!? That's a major blunder since lots didn't watch that crap and those who did have it erased from their memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    There wasn't really anything to do with Bo Katan in Book of Boba Fett. It was left in Season 2 that Bo Katan can't just accept the Darksabre from Mando, it has to be won in battle, but she hasn't tried to win it off him. Definitely the big thing people would have missed is how Grogu came back etc. It wasn't really explained in the recap before the episode and was pretty poorly explained during the episode.

    To me it's a lot like all the references and characters from the animated shows. They do their best to explain it quickly in the show, but it still always feels like you're missing something from not having watched 10+ seasons of the animated shows. I think most people would have been more likely to watch BOBF if they were also watching The Mandalorian, but they definitely still needed to do a better job of recapping what happened to Mando & Grogu.

    It was a pretty weak episode altogether. A lot of setting up for the rest of the season which is understandable, especially since the story is no longer really centered on what's happening with Grogu, but the pirates in particular were just awful and comical. Don't seem like a threat in any way but are likely to keep popping up a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Relikk


    The nonsense coming out of Favreau now saying that there's a two year gap where Grogu was training with Luke is souring my already waning interest in this show, along with inconsistent runtimes where they could be explaining stuff like this for an extra 5 or 10 minutes.

    Enjoyed the dogfight, though. It's something the live action shows are severely lacking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    There appears to be confusion over Favreau's comments about the two year gap. The two years seems to be between the end of S2 and start of S3 of the Mandalorian. It may be the case that Grogu wasn't training with Luke for two years, but maybe for just a few months, then the events of BOBF happened, then Mando & Grogu have been travelling around for the rest of that 2-year period since the end of BOBF, before the start of this episode.

    I guess they have to give some reason why Greef Karga's city has developed so much since Mando was last there, but it definitely needlessly confuses things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Yep, I agree. Regardless of Andor raising the bar, you have to take each show on its own merits.

    But this never got off the ground. It felt off right from the start and got worse throughout. The pirates were laughably bad. Carl Weathers' character is just...there. And I think viewers have had their fill of Grogu sneaking food from a bowl, etc.

    For a season premiere it was awful actually. It was easily the cheapest looking episode of the show so far, which doesn't bode well for the rest of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Relikk


    He gives slightly conflicting information, but always mentions "2 years" in whatever he says. One interview will say 2 years, another says 0-2 years. The video below he says: "

    "(Grogu) spent many years with the Mandalorian, went back with Luke, now we’ve been two years apart from him there, training."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the Book of Bobo

    Now there's a show I'd watch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Thought that was a very weak opening episode.

    But it had its Grogu humour, a bit of action and a few characters that'll look familiar to old skool SW fans, so many might be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭Glebee


    First episode of new season mediocre at best, but now we have Andor to compare it too its on a loser. The Madalorian was also only ok. IGN gave it an 8/10, dont know what show they were watching.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    It did look very creaky and stagey after the fantastic Andor (as expected))



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Hard to watch that first episode without Andor constantly hovering in the back of my mind, but I genuinely tried. And even then, that first episode barely got out of first gear.

    Everything was just so flat and half àrsed: the direction, plotting, dialogue, the lot. Just a sequence of slightly tedious introductions, all playing out like cut scenes from a video game. I'm sorry Mando but you must go to the next level to get the piece of the robot you suddenly, inexplicably decided had to come back.

    And those pirates, hoooooo boy. They were laughable, it felt like the Book Of Boba Fett all over again. I wondered would a certain band of "cool" kids on colourful scooters suddenly appear.

    This felt like an episode of something that has run out of ideas a little and is treading water, not sure where to go next. Popular Thing is Popular so we gotta keep going. The big hook is ... uhh, Mando wants to take a bath so he can rejoin religious fundamentalists??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Yeah. This office. That hall (With characters close) the other street. The ship. All very claustrophobic. And, yet again, Mando on a fetch-quest and just walking along.

    Those Pirates (And the Pirate King....)? Jesus. Yeah, I was waiting for those Power Ranger Scooter kids to fight The Pirate King.

    All of the Mandalorians initiating the kid in the monster-croc-filled water. No wonder there aren't many. Initiating that single kid lost 4 people (Plus the kids looked silly with the helmets). Kids wearing helmets like that at Comic-con? Adorable :) On the show? Silly.

    Compare to the first episode where Mando cuts a guy in half with a door.

    Have they had Mando in the rain? Would be interesting to see the holodeck handle that.


    I sound harsher than I feel. It wasn't all bad, but, as I said before, personally I was never as invested in it as some. I mean it was lightyears ahead of Boba Fett (Wouldn't be hard). But I was always on the "Yeah, it's quite entertaining" fence rather than "Best. Thing. EVER" fence. And I put it on a par with "Obi-Wan".

    It's basically Mando walking about..... LITERALLY plodding!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Compare to the first episode where Mando cuts a guy in half with a door.

    Also, the main bad guy was Werner Herzog of all people, playing it like a PG version of the nemesis from Jack Reacher. I think the show has regressed in its maturely the more canon kept sneaking in. At the opening of this show it was about a grimier, shadier aspect of SW. Now it's dangerously close to memberberries.

    None of it's bad, we're not at Boba Fett or ObiWan just yet, but the teeth has gone. So far. Still can't get over how it's season premiere was about Mando wanting to have a bath, lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I agree that the motivation for this season appears to be weak. We've gone from Mando needing to save Grogu or somebody to Mando needing to redeem himself for something that doesn't feel like a big deal really. I could sympathise with the idea of him feeling hurt about being cast out for a moment he now regrets...but trying to get back in their good books just doesn't sit well. Besides, it's not like he's looking to settle down?

    I didn't like the space battle either. They kept adding that musical note every time he shot one of the ships which made me feel like I was watching someone play a computer game. On a more positive note, I do find Grogu's antics in the background worth a chuckle.

    Hopefully it picks up.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    And I'm another one feeling the effects of it being post 'Andor'. It all felt so shallow and fully agree it felt like a fetch quest. Mando seemed to be just jumping between planets: "Now talk to X, go to this planet and talk to Y. They will tell you where you need to go next".

    The more grounded aspect of 'Andor''s direction made all of this seem a little too shiny. Not to Boba Fett levels but there's a whole feeling of it all being more staged. I miss the "lived in" aspect of 'Andor'.

    It also didn't help that I watched this after 'The Last of Us' where Pedro Pascal gets to also reluctantly mind a young one.

    It's of course a little bit unfair in some ways - this is what 'The Mandalorian' always really was. Just I know there could be better.

    Much like Mr. Nice Guy, I did at least enjoy Grogu's antics, especially spinning around in the chair which was both in keeping with his character as well as not overly focused on in terms of direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah would the Mando we know and love really be that bothered about 'getting redeemed'. Strikes me as more of a 'I don't need no stinking badge to be a cop' kind of guy...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,872 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Couldn't help but notice that if this were Andor, a High Magistrate would almost certainly have been the villain 😂

    I've never loved The Mandalorian - at best, it was an enjoyable enough, old-fashioned 'adventure of the week' style deal with Star Wars set dressing and an ingeniously designed supporting puppet. After Andor set the bar so high, it's hard to get particularly excited about what this show is doing anymore - let alone when it's doing a rather bland and repetitive version of itself. Hopefully there are a few decent episodes this season without the spin-off setup that destroyed season two. But while Andor is a fundamentally different show in so many different ways, its success has proven that we should expect more than 'fine' (let alone 'bad') from Star Wars fare.

    I do have to say - having skipped Boba Fett but heard that a couple of episodes are basically Mando 2.5, it was truly bizarre they didn't really reflect the events of those episodes in the recap at least. Very weird for a show to have episodes in a spin-off series that all but invalidate the events of the season two finale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Terrible opener, but par for the course for a show which has always been far too hot and cold to properly elevate it. It's always been a show that benefitted from being a counterpoint to the fresh in the mind, sub-par trilogy (granted Rise came out post S1, but the knives were out for that long beforehand). Damned with faint praise, with the odd few episodes stirring something in the Star Wars fan, but ultimately, it's always been an extremely shallow and inconsistent mess that the writers and producer team have almost been getting away with. That may sound too harsh as I'm sure I enjoyed the odd scene in even the poorer episodes, and obviously Baby Yoda was a draw initially, plus it obviously found an audience with younger viewers, or rather, modern streaming viewers, but overall, though its far from being the worst of the television efforts, that level is so mediocre that it just barely keeps its head above water.

    Specifically with the opener, it's obviously a huge drop in production from the recent Andor as others have said, and it's surprising how shoddy and flat everything appeared, and unfortunately then we're left with it hanging its hat on its narrative and plot, and that has always been the weak point of the show, so it's hardly surprising that the 'fetch quest' nature has become more apparent. Whether the season can develop into something more remains to be seen, but given the track record, I'd expect another extremely uneven season.

    No point even going into the 'Boba Fett-Mando-Redundant Season 2' fiasco that the creator's lost their sh*t with, as it was always going to have implications for this season, so it's almost fascinating to see how they try to recover from that masterstroke. Episode 1 was not a good start. The 'pirates' less so 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    100% agree - it’s like the mandalorian is written by 6 year olds for 6 year olds

    Andor was by far the best Star Wars we’ve seen since Rogue One

    everything else has just been MEH



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I do have to say - having skipped Boba Fett but heard that a couple of episodes are basically Mando 2.5, it was truly bizarre they didn't really reflect the events of those episodes in the recap at least. Very weird for a show to have episodes in a spin-off series that all but invalidate the events of the season two finale.

    I think it speaks to a resting, arrogant presumption, bordering on contempt, for its audience that it just presumed people watched Boba Fett and already knew why Grogu was back travelling with Mando. It's not like that's an especially wild guess mind you, but Boba Feet was such garbage many probably bailed before they got to Season 2.5 of Mando. I'm quite surprised the Previously On... didn't throw in moments from Boba.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I mean, let's be honest: Season 3 was always on the backfoot when Andor has these moments among its Season's dramatic moments. Wonder if quietly in private, Favreau et al watched it and went Oh fúck.

    Now. There's lots of room for all sorts of flavours and tones among the Star Wars universe... but Mandalorian errs by playing it safe to the point of being inert bordering on lazy. Dave Filoni seems more interested in toyboxes than stories. It can't pick a tonal lane, stuck between cutsey and scuzzy.

    Oh no, Mando wants back into his little band of fundamentalists? What has he sacrificed - is his mind a sunless place? God that Luthen speech still gives me, as the kids say, chills. Genuinely; that show pumped the brakes on my waning interest and arrested me in a way few shows of the last 5-10 years has managed.

    But more than that: just from a structural point of view, see how fantastic these scenes look. The compositions, musical swells, the pacing of the speeches... all the ways everything's put together. Mando can be so dull to look at: character enters. Shot, reverse-shot. Shot reverse-shot. Character exits. That Volume technology is fabulous but it's a little overused.

    Even counting the movies, Maarva's speech nailed a reason to fight.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    'Andor' has really shown up 'The Mandalorian' as Mickey Mouse Star Wars. It's, as Johnny points out, "enjoyable enough". But beyond that, it's really outlived its usefulness in many ways.

    I think this show will sort of always be just ok, as opposed to truly compelling fare, like we had with 'Andor'.

    I wish Disney would take note.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Saw the latest episode this morning. It was ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Ah the old "go behind that rock to get a whole new set we can't see from here" trick

    Thought they had done what they did with Maul and somehow brought Grievous back from the dead.


    And how does Grogu's pod manage to keep disappearing and reappearing? he left it behind on Mandalore yet had it back on Bo's ship. Unless she just had a spare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Better than last week but feels a bit same old, same old.

    At least the journey to the waters isn't going to take the entire season.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Thinking that 'The Mandalorian' probably should have ended at S02.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.2: Gah damn right we're going on quests!! Hell yeah!

    More of this!

    Bo-Katan sure held that sabre well! Plus she's now bathed in the water. I dunno. Maybe she'll take the helmet off again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I'm wondering can you redeem yourself in the waters just the once, or can you keep going back multiple times? If it's the latter then it's a handy loophole. You can keep taking off the helmet and going back to the waters to make everything better, sort of like a Catholic going back to confession every weekend after a week of sinning. 😂




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭Glebee


    The Mines of Mandalore, I was half expecting Gandalf to jump out. Better than Ep 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I wonder can she keep the darksaber now? She sort of picked it up; Mando didn't literally give it to her...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,420 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    He put it back on his belt anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Probably better off asking in the Star Wars forum but did Bo Katan get training with the Jedi group in the cartoons? Anakin, Asoka and Obi-Wan particularly. Certainly knew how to handle a sabre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Enjoyed this week, stronger than last week, which I thought was fine (the andor comparison isn't fair really).

    Always nice to see Peli Motto.

    I liked the design on the robot crab monster thing...the other things felt a bit rubbery for want of a better word.


    Glad Mandos quest for a bath has completed in ep2 we can now hopefully get onto more compelling storylines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    pre vizsla had it for years up to the clone wars when she was with deathwatch so may have had some understanding of it as his second in command and he was adapt with it fighting off Maul for a bit, and then she herself had it for a few years during the rebellion before the purge and gideon took it .



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