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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Because having an in-play clock was proposed as part of the Super League. Games of 60 mins with the ball in-play, which would be longer than current games in-play time of games. It was a good idea I thought.

    Sky Sports and Neville etc whipped everyone into a frenzy about the Super League based on them losing out on their product, and now every idea that is associated with them will automatically be met with disdain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,516 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Because a lot of people let's be honest are thick. I saw so many people freak out and just could not get their head around why it wasn't 3 mins same as always. Snide comments were made about goals in the 98 min of a 90 min game.

    Everyone got blamed down to a conspiracy level except the players. Could you imagine this forum if 10mins of injury time were added in a game United or Liverpool were losing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Because time wasting is not really about wasting time. It's about disrupting the flow of the game, which teams would be more able to do if it was a 60 minute game.

    In a 60 minute game where the clock stops, I think there would be more delaying of the game by the team in front, especially if they are under pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,947 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    I dont see why it would mean they’d be “more” able to disrupt play in a game where the clock stops? Right now neither the clock is stopped nor the appropriate time added on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    It happened in this forum earlier in the season, when Liverpool scored a 98th minute winner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,286 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I;d say a big reason we don't see time added on like in the world cup is actually down to TV companies. If the games become 10 minutes longer, you now have a larger scheduling time frame and it is far more difficult to know when a half time will be, or full time (with respect to the next program that will be on). I imagine the world cup was a bit of a nightmare from that perspective.

    Sure, you still get games that go long - due to serious injuries, or extra time etc - but that is relatively rare in the case of injuries and can be somewhat planned for in the case of extra time/penalties.

    If it became regular that a tv station didn't know if a game would finish around 4.50, and could go on to anywhere up to 5.05 or 5.10 - they'd getting pissy about it.

    Not saying it is right, I just reckon TV companies would be agaisnt it and that is a big reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I just think referees would be a lot less likely to give yellows for delaying the restart of the game, and players could stay down as long as they wanted for injuries. In that way I think teams could take more advantage to disrupt any rhythm in the game and frustrate the team chasing the game. The referee would be under less pressure to get the game restarted.

    It's worth testing it out but then as with VAR, be careful what you wish for.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    Bring in a temporary ’blood sub’ type thing along with the 60 minute stop clock. There’s no players going down with an injury & holding things up, treat them off the pitch while A. N. Other fills in at their position.

    It’s tricky & there are always other issues that pop up with the solutions but if time wasting is something they want to wipe out they’d need to commit to whatever choice they make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,516 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If they just grab their heads you can't move them.

    No ref is going to be responsible for being the guy who gets a Christian Erikson situation wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,343 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Couldn't they just trim 5-10 minutes from the "analysis" and bants between the hapless studio pundits? It's not like their drivel adds any value. That would keep scheduling largely in line with the programme

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    Maybe they could sanction players post-match who were play-acting or feigning an injury to hold up play unfairly.

    This would be unnecessary anyway. If there’s no reward for time wasting the players will stop doing it fairly quickly, we saw that in a limited degree in the World Cup. Anyone down with a serious injury or an incident like the Christian Erikson situation wouldn’t be overlooked, someone essentially dying on the pitch is never going to be accused of time wasting etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico


    Did her man on Off The Ball have a gamblers regret episode after the Man City v Forest game or was it a bit of show to create some drama?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Would not be right on fans either adding 20 mins to the end time of a game.

    The only right way is to deal with delays and enforce rules during the game to speed things up. If a player wants treatment they go off the pitch to get it. If the keeper takes in the ball then they have to release it in 6 seconds. End arguing with refs which at times is done to delay restarts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    If a player is injured he stays off for five minutes from the time the game restarts. None of this limping off for thirty seconds only to sprint back on five seconds later.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,516 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And then players try to hide head injuries so they don't miss the last 5 mins of a game.

    That one would never make it past the legal team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The players unions have a huge responsibility here.

    It clear plenty of players, teams and coaches condone and encourage this play acting. It causes the few genuine injuries to be doubted, and in some cases then player welfare, both immediate and long term can be put at risk.

    The players unions should be calling out players who facilitate this feigning and putting the players themselves and their cohort at risk - particularly with injuries the unseen effects eventually crop up long term, as many who played in the 60s and 70s have found out.

    Players have to be protected from themselves. Their union should be stronger. I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,141 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    It is in the women's game but the FA have opened a can of worms here now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64757356

    Will we see players now in the men's game getting bans for rolling around when not injured ?

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,516 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nothing at all wrong with a retrospective ban for this shte. But you can't put that kind of medical decision in the hand of the ref on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Watching the Fulham Wolves game and a player is down injured and has to be replaced but for the first minute or 2 he was down, nobody actually believed he was injured. Stoppage of over 5 mins which won’t all be added on. There might be more than 5 mins of added time, but it won’t take the whole length of the stoppage into account.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,135 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If you think that's bad just think how much less it would have been if Barca were winning. Nobody eats the clock like a Spanish team a goal up in Europe.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Everyone does it now. And they all do the same things. And they all get away with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,343 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Not everyone. It seems Liverpool are incapable of it. Instead, they'd rather concede 5 🙈

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,968 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Whoever is nearest the ball should take a throw it in. None of this nonsense waiting for a full back to stroll over.

    If it's good enough when you need a goal in the last 5 mins, it should be good enough for the rest of the game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,516 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What a load of nonsense.

    I suppose all Italian teams are defensive and only foreigners dive too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,880 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Very good work by VAR to disallow the Arsenal goal.

    White was literally holding the keepers glove, which was impending him in some way.

    Fine fine by Trossard though.

    Iheanacho offside for his effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It was the wrong time to be trying it though, it was an unprecedented world cup during the season with concerns over burning out players, adding 10 mins onto each game was never going to do down well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Time wasting is the least of the sports problems at the moment. It’s remarkable and ironic how much time is being given to the topic.

    I also find it odd that some people are quick to jump on the “let’s stop the clock every time the balls out of play” idea or change the game to 60 minutes. Maybe we should have half a goal awarded if the ball goes over the bar and change it from half’s to innings with no draws allowed. It’s not hard to see American influences being lapped up by some.

    I don’t mind change but I don’t want to see the hyperbolic tail wag the dog in the sport. I’d just rather teams learned to better respond to the wasting time tactics. Just like teams learned how to get around Jose Mourihnos Uber defensive play eventually, don’t change the sport cause some teams are top level a**holes as wasting time.



  • Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People aren't pulling 60 mins out of thin air it's just around on average how much the ball is in play in most games, so wouldn't take any or much adapting to, fitness wise.

    Football would be a much better spectacle without it and it's an easy enough fix.

    There is no countering to it either not from the opposition you can't make the opposition move quicker or not fall over every 2 minutes.

    We have seen at the world cup if players or managers see they don't get an advantage they can change hie they act.

    Just because something comes from an American sport doesnt automatically make it a bad thing



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,880 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    All 4 games scoreless at ht.



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