General Rugby Discussion 3

Blut2 · 21-02-2023 01:18PM

Its not only not resolved, it seems to be escalating. Theres talk now of the players striking for the regions as well if things aren't resolved by the end of this month:

"Welsh rugby is facing the prospect of two player strikes in the coming weeks.

Wales squad players have demanded action on contentious issues by Wednesday, 22 February with their Six Nations game against England three days later at stake.

Now Welsh players' body chairman Ashton Hewitt says strikes at the nation's regions are a "definite" possibility.

He says "striking for every player in Wales" is not off the table if a formal deal is not in place by 28 February."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/64707183

sydthebeat · 21-02-2023 01:27PM

https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/former-ireland-lock-jeremy-davidson-named-new-castres-head-coach/650059

Former Ireland second row Davidson was fired by bottom of the table Brive in December and returns to Castres where he spent three years as a player and two seasons as defence coach.

Davidson steered Brive to promotion from ProD2 during his first season in charge and kept them up for the next three seasons.

Davidson replaces Pierre-Henry Broncan at Castres, with the 2021/22 runners-up currently sitting 11th in the table.

salmocab · 21-02-2023 01:28PM

It seems that Welsh rugby is being run by idiots and people in it for themselves. That’s a dangerous combination

Brief_Lives · 21-02-2023 01:32PM

IS that welsh press conference live, online... Wales onloine just have updates...

21-02-2023 01:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269659#Comment_120269659

It's started now.

Update seems to be no real update. Gatland doesn't know, think's game will go ahead, meetings happening, expects to announce team on Thursday.

Brief_Lives · 21-02-2023 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269769#Comment_120269769

probably the key points here:

Brief_Lives · 21-02-2023 02:27PM

ouch

blackwhite · 21-02-2023 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269106#Comment_120269106

There’s a couple of small annual grants from the IRFU to clubs that are regular enough (coaching grant, participation grants etc.) but that’s only a few k per club per year.

Theres not much directly from the union by way of capital grants, it’s typically Sports Ireland funding which gets distributed though the union, and comes with Sports Ireland conditions like you’ve outlined.

The main way the IRFU funds clubs is via international ticket allocations - allowing clubs to attract sponsors via the guarantee of tickets; and the annual YCYC draw

lawrencesummers · 21-02-2023 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266219#Comment_120266219

Is that the same rule that doesnt apply to reecezammit?

Lost Ormond · 21-02-2023 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270275#Comment_120270275

Yeah grants will come from the county councils/local sports partnerships/department of sport and the sports capital grant which covers equipment as well

Wouldnt say IRFU main funding for clubs is through tickets but paying some of costs of development officers etc and then as uoi say YCYC. I still dont understand why some clubs dont sell these tickets when you get to keep profits from it and IRFU put up some excellent prizes for it

Blut2 · 21-02-2023 04:35PM

My club made about 10,000euro this year from YCYC, its great easy money. I'm surprised any club doesn't take part, I can't really see any reason why they wouldn't. Is it just down to laziness?

Lost Ormond · 21-02-2023 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270742#Comment_120270742

Yeah not getting enough or any people to sell tickets/organize that.

sydthebeat · 21-02-2023 04:43PM

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/mar/14/sixnationsrugby2002.rugbyunion1

interesting article from 21 year ago !!!

Wales players threaten strike at Twickenham

The Wales squad, entering the dispute between their clubs and the Welsh Rugby Union over the future of the professional game, are threatening to go on strike on Saturday week when they are due to play England at Twickenham.

Six clubs - Llanelli, Swansea, Newport, Pontypridd, Bridgend and Cardiff - had rejected the idea of pulling their players out of the match, deciding instead to hold back the threat until next month's international against Scotland in Cardiff. They want the WRU to improve its funding to at least £1.5m a year and reduce the number of professional clubs from nine to six. The union's general committee is meeting tonight to discuss the issue.

and this one

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/mar/23/sixnationsrugby2002.rugbyunion

Signs of strife were everywhere as those inside the game debated the means by which it might recover success and dignity. A man who put more than £1m into a senior rugby club shook his head at the memory of his angry ejection from a rival ground a few nights earlier. A new man at the helm of the national team, a New Zealander, pondered the task of motivating a group of players who had been on the brink of withdrawing their labour only days earlier. Questions were asked about why those players were paid huge bonuses not just for winning but for losing. And on a television news programme, the beleaguered chairman of the Welsh Rugby Union was denying the latest list of accusations, including a claim that he concealed the true nature of the deal to build the debt-ridden Millennium Stadium.

some of the correlations are eerie

Yeah_Right · 21-02-2023 05:28PM

Excuse the ignorance but what is YCYC?

sydthebeat · 21-02-2023 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120271075#Comment_120271075

your club, your country

https://www.irishrugby.ie/running-your-club/club-funding/your-club-your-country/

Lost Ormond · 21-02-2023 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120271075#Comment_120271075

Draw created by IRFU. IRFU and their partners provide prizes. All tickets income sold by clubs kept by clubs

salmocab · 21-02-2023 06:10PM

The YCYC is a great initiative, I wonder do some clubs not really push it because they have so many draws etc going on that it’s going back to the same well repeatedly. You can only tap the same people up so many times.

Lost Ormond · 21-02-2023 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120271274#Comment_120271274

Yeah i would say thats part of it. Some clubs run lottos, split the buckets etc and get enough from them that they can nearly run everything in club from them so may not need to push the YCYC

Quin_Dub · 21-02-2023 07:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120271274#Comment_120271274

That is a massive part of it.

It's also a timing thing , the YCYC sales time period is also around the same time the clubs are asking for subscriptions to be paid, which is the same time that people are handing out for School/College for their kids etc.

It's a great initiative from the Union , but not every club can truly leverage it.

Blut2 · 21-02-2023 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270753#Comment_120270753

We mostly just ask the players to try and sell a few each to themselves/their friends/their family, no huge central effort. Seems to do the job well enough.

Strand1970 · 22-02-2023 12:09AM

Local club asks every member to sell 2 tickets each, that nearly gets us up to the max 10k. Really depends on the size of the clubs membership. iit's a tough ask going back to the same people a few times a year.

VinLieger · 22-02-2023 10:32AM

Apparently as of last night the PRB still hadnt even told the players what time todays extraordinary meeting is at, cannot see the match going ahead with the way things currently look.

Quin_Dub · 22-02-2023 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120273928#Comment_120273928

It's just utterly shambolic from start to finish.

I mean this is a "nothing else matters , get this sorted right NOW" event and they can't even arrange a time to meet????

sydthebeat · 22-02-2023 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274065#Comment_120274065

the unsaid truth here is that the WRU actively want a region to financially collapse so they can remove them from the books.

the only thing right now that can save welsh rugby is for the WRU to disband and two new governing bodies created, one for the pro game an one from the amateur. The amateur game needs to stay full amateur an become a lot more self funding. The pro game needs to solidify its funding and budget and be run by proper business professionals and not county councillors and alikadoos from the amateur game.

VinLieger · 22-02-2023 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274222#Comment_120274222

Indeed there's no point trying to emulate our system as the regions just don't have the grassroots fan buy in that will work its way up via club and then regional boards to then work for the WRU that will benefit the professional game.

Jump_In_Jack · 22-02-2023 12:05PM

Do we have any Welsh posters in the house? @penybont exile Would you have any insights to add?

I'm most curious about what kind of blueprint would a pragmatic outsider be able to suggest, and what are the roadblocks to engineering a solution out of what's there now?

Cheers

minitrue · 22-02-2023 02:01PM

You can't help but be impressed that the WRU are such a shambles that they already have a new fiasco which seems to have nearly everyone forgetting they've only just switched CEO to try and take the heat out of the last unresolved debacle.

sydthebeat · 22-02-2023 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274928#Comment_120274928

ah but they banned "delilah"..... :D

VinLieger · 22-02-2023 03:40PM

So looks like the PRB are presenting the newest proposal to all 200 professional welsh players at 3pm, id expect players to be at the very least texting journos if not outright tweeting during it if it doesnt go well.

VinLieger · 22-02-2023 04:33PM

Live updates here, meeting starting shortly

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/live-welsh-rugby-wru-strike-26299019

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