General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

martingriff · 13-02-2023 04:00PM

I say Arsenal will be peeved today with the Premier league and VAR (PMOL?) coming out today with saying they forgot to check the offside in the goal against them and yes it should have been disallowed. Totally different and more serious IMO then an interpretation of a foul or offside. Though I hear they messed up one of those this weekend also with wrong lines

CSF · 13-02-2023 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236497#Comment_120236497

But taking a player down on purpose isn't even an automatic yellow card, you do it in the first 15 minutes and the 'oh you can't give a yellow that early in the game' argument comes out. But we're gonna make arguing with a ref into an automatic yellow card offence. I agree that seeing 4 or 5 lads circled around the ref isn't great, and yet I still don't think I agree with turning that into an automatic yellow card while so many cheating offences get dismissed as clever.

CSF · 13-02-2023 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236640#Comment_120236640

Well, not exactly. You're seeing a concerted push towards trying to give less yellow cards for things, with the intention of the referee having less of an influence on things. Obviously, this leads to players trying to get away with as much as possible (which is really just a nicer way of saying cheating), and we think this is less of a problem than players arguing with a referee about a decision? Really?

13-02-2023 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236441#Comment_120236441

The rules are there, they just need to be enforced. I mean they brought in the goalkeeper 6 second rule and now every keeper seemingly has an exemption to it. Bring in a time limit on corners and free kicks too.

As much as I've been critical of that sport in the past, rugby has worked tirelessly on making their game more watchable and it's great to watch now compared to a few years back. There are constant fouls and penalties because they actually reward good attacking play, not no call blatant fouls in the box.

I actually think football could do with a huge overhaul of the laws. It's all about fitness and not tiring rather than rewarding skilful play from players.

doc_17 · 13-02-2023 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236738#Comment_120236738

I watched a game on Saturday with 4 added minutes. On 93:50 the ref booked a player for time wasting. Then the ref blew it up on 94:05. Add an extra minute FFS when they do that. Any any outfield player from the opposition that lifts a ball after conceding a free should also get a yellow.

martingriff · 13-02-2023 04:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236736#Comment_120236736

Whoah there never said less of a problem I think they are equally important especially with the whole soccer Respect push. That should mean all not just players

CSF · 13-02-2023 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236774#Comment_120236774

There needs to be a spectrum though, because if everything becomes a yellow card, that creates problems of its own. I don't think arguing with the ref is equally important to actual cheating. Dissent rules already exist for players being verbally abusive towards referees, but merely arguing with the referee is way down the spectrum from those things IMO. I don't know if its disrespectful to merely argue with someone btw.

McFly85 · 13-02-2023 04:48PM

The annoying thing about time wasting is that the World Cup showed how it works in practice. Crazy added time for a few games before nobody bothers with it anymore because it’s pointless to do it.

It’s crazy that the PL wouldn’t look at bringing that in.

citytillidie · 13-02-2023 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236863#Comment_120236863

Can't mess with that Super Sunday schedule or Sky will not get all their adverts in.

CSF · 13-02-2023 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236907#Comment_120236907

That, and the fans in the stadium who want to beat the rush to the pub.

breezy1985 · 13-02-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236717#Comment_120236717

Well the fix there is to stop this crap of not giving a yellow because it's too early.

"The ref ruined the game" is a blight on the sport especially the English game.

CSF · 13-02-2023 05:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236964#Comment_120236964

Yeah, don’t disagree with you, but still think there needs to be some cutoff point with automatic yellows where we start to see too many of them.

Automatic yellows for non-abusive arguing feels like a step past that cutoff point for me.

breezy1985 · 13-02-2023 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236982#Comment_120236982

The way to stop too many of them is for the players to stop cheating and crowding the ref.

Bluebb993 · 13-02-2023 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236441#Comment_120236441

Aston villa were time wasting yesterday even at 2 and 3 nil down

13-02-2023 05:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236717#Comment_120236717

An automatic card for arguing with the ref or surrounding the ref stops that action players will soon just stop as it's not worth it like time wasting at the world cup with the added time

There will always be fouling no matter what

TherapyBoy · 13-02-2023 05:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120236982#Comment_120236982

If they inform the clubs & enforce the rules (whatever they are) all this stops & the players will learn very quickly that crowding the ref isn’t allowed. By not giving automatic cards for crowds of players rushing at the referee they’re telling the players that this behaviour is acceptable.

Let’s say they do this. Next season starts & the first time this happens, after a foul etc. 4 or 5 players charge at the referee to protest/shout/whatever & they’re each shown a yellow card, watch how quickly player behaviour changes. We saw it at the World Cup a few months ago, they start adding on heavy amounts of injury time, the time wasting stops within a few games. Players only act this way because there is generally no bad consequence for them.

I’d like to see them copy rugby in this way. Only the captain approaches the ref & any instructions to the players are initiated through the captain. When the ref tells them to walk away they do so. Demand respect & show authority!

CSF · 13-02-2023 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237018#Comment_120237018

Yeah, I don’t actually believe this. Dissent is already a rule and players still can’t stop themselves in the heat of the moment. I think putting the yellow card offence, drops the amount of times people argue with the ref, but I’m defo not comfortable with the value of those additional yellows.

martingriff · 13-02-2023 06:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237138#Comment_120237138

You start getting 2nd yellows and reds and you start loosing then so be it. Why is other professional sports notably rugby it doesn't happen. Ref speaks to captain and no one else and referee tells you to go away and you do

~Rebel~ · 13-02-2023 07:01PM

I think you should be able to respectfully communicate with the ref, even about something you disagree with, without punishment - but the second you start shouting and roaring at them should be a yellow card.

CSF · 13-02-2023 07:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237341#Comment_120237341

Yeah, exactly this.

pjohnson · 13-02-2023 07:52PM

Players sprinting quicker than they ever have in their lives to cover 30 yards to "talk" to the ref deserve the yellow.

That was one of the few good decisions made this week.

Sure its not the top of the list of issues but its an easy fix so no excuse not to do it.

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2023 08:11PM

Was that a foul? I thought Tarkowski got the ball...

y0ssar1an22 · 13-02-2023 08:22PM

the everton player was well entitled to go for that ball. what were the liverpool lads giving out about?

Augme · 13-02-2023 08:23PM

Thays about as dirty as it gets from the Everton player. Absolutely no surprises though with that lot.

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-02-2023 08:36PM

Devastating counter attack.

doc_17 · 13-02-2023 08:37PM

Everton are a danger from corners….to themselves

sligeach · 13-02-2023 08:37PM

Terrific breakaway goal by Liverpool. Finished by Salah.

y0ssar1an22 · 13-02-2023 08:38PM

1-0 liverpool thru salah. pickford suspect positioning and right after everton hit the post.

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-02-2023 08:38PM

I know there were a rake of Liverpool players in that attack, but Pickford didn't cover himself in glory there.

Bleating Lamb · 13-02-2023 08:44PM

Wout Fayes will be pissed off…..he is now only Liverpools joint top scorer since the World Cup!

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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