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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,322 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sued for unpaid rent in London after it unilaterally abandoned the office...

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jan/24/twitter-sued-by-crown-estate-alleged-unpaid-rent-london-hq

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It all read like typical corporate back-slapping and boosting to me; the proof will be in the pudding in the coming years now the EV market is getting crowded. Fluctuating reputation can be weathered, but Tesla now has the full attention of the automotive industry to contend with - not an easy competitor, as opposed to when your only rival was the Nissan Leaf or other tentative steps into the market.

    God only knows what the market and industries will make the of the Cybertruck; that's the real big swing IMO that may inform the 2023 Tesla has.

    Post edited by pixelburp on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭prosaic


    The zombie bird continues to roam the world of S&M (social & media)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Musk is now stating that legacy verified accounts like mine will no longer retain their blue ticks unless they subscribe to Twitter Blue, which is not available in Ireland. The verified blue tick meant you are who you say you are. When I got verified I had to provide certain information that proved I was who I said I was. What's to stop some clown in the future subscribing to Twitter blue and claiming to be somebody else?

    This is going to be a disaster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Just be glad you're not a business account. They're going to have to pay $1,000 per month to keep their gold checkmark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,216 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    None of my work colleagues will be paying for Twitter Blue if it comes to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭AllForIt



    I don't really see what's wrong with that.

    Why should entities such as TV Networks, businesses, state departments etc etc use Twitter for free, when the whole reason they are on it in the first place is to promote themselves. Why should they get that for free. They can well afford it as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,216 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Having the same fee for CNN and the New York Post as the Gorey Observer doesn’t make any sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    What doesn't make any sense is providing a service and charging according to how 'wealthy' the customer is.

    In that case then rich people should pay more for their electricity than the common man.

    Anyway I'm sure there is some way around the issue you highlight, like for example, a restriction on the number of tweets allowed per day and how the algorithm promotes an account. Want a better service - pay for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,468 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He is still only chasing shadows.if he gets 100k businesses to pay it Twitter will bring in 100 milion.

    He failed to protect his revenue sources. He could now have the situation where businesses (especially media businesses) will stop putting content up again effecting his ability to bring in advertising revenue.

    It's hard to know how bad it is because Twitter no longer has to publish accounts you will have to wait for company filings

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,744 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't know, but

    Trust in Twitter has declined among Democrats after Musk took over, but gone up among Republicans. The two sides are now at the same level.

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    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/twitter-users-down-democrats-elon-musk


    (notably, trust has risen among independents also)



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy



    The problem is that taking it private will crystallise what the actual revenue vs overheads and operational costs are. If Twitter can't wash its own face, there isn't any source of income other than Musk topping it up or loans. Otherwise, it will have to go back on the market again and start selling shares.

    He has a lot of money, but this is an incredibly expensive hobby and he's flushing it down the toilet.

    I would still see Twitter ultimately having to face rather harsh realities. I'd predict it will probably be sold off for a fraction of what he paid for it probably sometime before Q3 this year.

    He'll dress it up as 'bring investors on board' or something but in reality it'll have been sold and he'll have burnt billions.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Problem with your analogy: everyone needs electricity, no matter the size or wealth of the customer. In some parts of the world it's literally life or death.

    Do any entity need Twitter? Musk needs to make some bank however, but has a product that has already, historically shown itself tricky to monetise. And people are hostile to free things becoming paid; look at our own water marches from years back (to use the Utilities comparison)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,216 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    An account with a few thousand followers and an account with millions of followers aren’t getting the same service.

    He’s also deterring businesses from providing content for his network. There’s an argument that he should be paying them, not charging them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - He makes his money from the advertisers - who pay to get screen time from the users who come to twitter to read the content from these companies.

    It's a circular thing - they all need each other but Musk hasn't exactly been extending many olive branches to the people that bring him customers for his advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    It's a circular thing - they all need each other but Musk hasn't exactly been extending many olive branches to the people that bring him customers for his advertising.

    In the case of TV networks, say ITV which isn't a state broadcaster like BBC which doesn't have any commercial advertising, ITV are using Twitter to gain revenue off their own advertising themselves.

    So it doesn't seem irrational to me that ITV pay Twitter a grand a month. In fact that seems cheap. Another way of doing it is charging per hit rate or Twitter demands a percentage of ITV's advertising revenue.

    But you are right, it is a circular thing, but if Twitter is in the red I think they are warranted in charging significant bucks for the service they provide to entities that are in the business of advertising themselves and not only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    the thing is if you asked me a year ago if I'd pay for twitter i might have said yes. If it got rid of adverts and had a feature or two that was handy it might have been an option.

    Not a hope of me paying for it now. last night musk was amplifying fake russian news accounts. Why would i ever want to give that guy my money. And that's besides the fact that twitter blue just isn't worth it.


    But in the case of ITV, if their stuff is driving engagement then it's good for twitter. The way it works on social media platform is that people generate content. Other people visit the site/app to view the content and the social media service makes money from showing adverts to its users.

    Twitter has flipped this by trying to charge the content creators for simply using the site. They could have some sort of paid boost which increases engagement but they're not doing that, they're just charging a flat fee for access. Smaller content creators won't do that.

    The thing is that if Musk is trying to make a quick buck to get twitter out of the red he'll lost the loyalty of creators and advertisers. He wants people to use the place more, not less.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Companies driving engagement on Twitter is absolutely key. Outside of advertising or promotion of tweets/accounts, the very fact they're on Twitter means people can tweet at them, ask questions, customer support, info etc. Those accounts can still do that with an unverified account. The only thing that happens with them not having a checkmark beside their name is that people may set up fake accounts, and people may get tricked by them and give personal info to what they thought was an official account. People aren't always going to check things like follower numbers, date account joined etc. Some people are possibly going to get scammed.

    Whereas Musk wants companies to pay $12k a year (+$600 for each affiliated account)? Some companies will pay it because it's a drop in the bucket, but many won't because all of a sudden they have $12k+ added to their social media bill for the year.

    It's extremely shortsighted, just like most of Musk's decisions, many of which he's had to walk back. I wonder if Executive Senior Advisor catturd2 will talk him out of it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It would be a nice accidental side-effect of Twitter going into that weird subscription funnel, if companies pivoted back to phone centres and Customer Support less driven by social media: it's a rare case where you actually have a phone number & genuine human being to talk to - and by god, sometimes you gotta hunt for it - so if Twitter suddenly became a less attractive proposition for companies, being less reliable or trustworthy? Great!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    If anything, I've found I get more/quicker response from companies on social media than by trying to call them or use webchat, because social media is public and they want to be seen helping people as quickly and efficiently as possible to get positive public feedback. Though oftentimes, they just tell you to contact their call centre or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,744 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I wonder what the going rate was for the Talk-to forums on Boards, or the verified representative accounts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,039 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Hilariously not one of ITVs twitter accounts that I could find are verified anymore meaning they already arent bothered paying just the 8 dollars so what makes you think they would be willing to pay a grand?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    According to reports , there are only about 180k accounts paying the $8/month charge so far in the US , which based on the current global spread of accounts would suggest only about 290/300k accounts worldwide.

    That's about 0.2% of active users generating about $2.4M/month or ~$28M/year which is insignificant in the extreme.

    Especially when set against his stated goal of 50% of the targeted $3B annual revenue coming from subscriptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,039 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Realistically how long does he have to turn the ship around before his investors start coming for him?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's the big question.

    Musk claimed the other day that Twitter are "on track to break even" this year , but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

    All of the available data suggests they are bleeding money at a rate of knots.

    We don't know the terms of the deals he has with the various investors , but the crunch will come when the 1st investor looks to cash out which could be around the 1 year mark , so a bit to go yet.

    They also might have performance targets baked in which if not achieved allows them to pull their funds out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd also add in that there are probably a lot of bills ready to come due in the next 12 months from legal payouts for staff who weren't let go in accordance with relevant local laws and rent payments missed on various offices, and probably more similar payouts from sheer mis-management of the company, regardless of how well or badly the company is performing.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - There are potentially a few big ones there given that he fired all the execs "for cause" according to him, to avoid having to pay them their agreed severance packages.

    Quite a few million tied up in those court cases if they go against Musk.



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