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Club Championships 2022/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I think the replay will go ahead.

    We have had these types of messy situations before over the years, but it really would be unprecedented if a club refused to field a team for an All-Ireland final.

    In the end I don't think Crokes would do this. If they ignore the GAA authorities, they'd lose their title, destroy their club's reputation and probably be facing lengthy fines and bans from competition. It's unthinkable. That would be real "toys out of the pram" stuff.

    Even losing a replay is a much better outcome than that, and of course they might actually win it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Ya that's my read aswell, no matter how coloured your view of this is, you couldn't say that Crokes meant to have an extra man on the field, it was an error by officials that allowed it to happen. At least there is a decision made on it now, I think Crokes would have an excellent chance on an appeal. I hope they don't go down that route now. They should go out and play it, use the slight they will feel as fuel and win it all over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,482 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    One thing I will say, you don't tend to see "clock management" substitutions made in hurling, certainly not as often as football anyway.

    Club teams used to adopt actual tactics from the successful counties. Blanket-defence was in vogue for a while (to the detriment of the game), I remember clubs trying to unearth their own Donaghy in the 00s, and now it's all about plus one defences and kick-out routines. However, there is an increase in the cynical and "game-management" side at club level now too- keep-ball when holding a lead (so boring to watch), feigning injury after a sin-bin, time-wasting substitutes. It's gone less innocent and all too serious.

    I hope management set-ups will now think twice about trying to pull a fast one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭1373


    Now that a replay has been ordered, the comments here are even more bizarre. I'm delighted a replay was ordered and I'd be delighted to see Crokes win and get to enjoy it . 15 or 16 , I believe most teams would easily defend a last minute 45



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Exactly, neither team benefited from the officials not being able to count to two but here we are and a replay is the decision. The Crokes lads should be absolutely gunning for it in the replay as well. I just don't understand the rationale of thinking they won't play it either but they may appeal it.

    If Glen refuse to play it for a players wedding or Crokes because Walsh is Stateside during the only free week in Feb then we're looking at early September. This would really put the icing on the cake for what's being an awful week for HQ.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I presume the same incompetent officials will have to be in charge?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Fair decision. While the officials should have ensured that the player was off the pitch, Crokes bear some responsibility. The player was on the goal line and could have literally run off the end of the pitch and this never would have happened.

    This isn't the same as technical or aggressive fouls not being called by the referee during the game. These fall under the playing rules while the rules regarding the number of players are in a different section. Other examples of these would be clubs playing an ineligible player (including an over/underage player), using too many substitutions or if a score was incorrectly recorded by the referee. To look at the last example, in the 2016 Christy Ring final, Meath were forced to replay a final they thought they had won as the referee recorded the score wrong and had Meath winning by a point when it was a draw game. Now there was no issue with that per se, but the Meath management team spotted this mistake and brought the referee's attention to it during the second half and were told by the referee and the officials, unequivocally, that the score was 100% correct. It was only after the game finished that the error was confirmed and the game was sent to a replay.

    If there was no replay from this, it would 100% open the door to other teams perhaps trying to pull a fast one if they were defending a 2 point win in a big final. They could throw on an extra defender and hope that the officials don't notice. If they got away with it at the time, they could point to this precedent being set whereby no replay was ordered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭54and56


    Seriously @FrancieBrady you need to weigh up what you are writing before you hit "post comment".

    What does "sources saying it" actually mean other than it allows people with an agenda or bias to pile in and build on the misinformation leading to silly statements from you like "Most of the hosility is because of their reaction to the Glen's complaint." when at that point they hadn't reacted at all to Glen's complaint.

    You stated that it was the accepted position of Crokes to not play the replay based on absolutely zero communication from the club or any other form of actual confirmation. Instead you simply chose to believe the clickbait because that suits your disposition and bias on the subject.

    Also, Crokes didn't launch a counter appeal so that did not in fact come to pass. They were informed by the GAA that Glen had made a complaint and were invited to make a submission setting out their view of the incident. It would be bizarre if the GAA hadn't invited them to set out their side of the story before making their adjudication on it and even more bizarre if Crokes didn't submit their view of what happened. You didn't need a crystal ball or any sort of source (anonymous or otherwise) to confidently predict Crokes would be making a submission once Glen had formally complained.

    I have an anonymous source who tells me the sun is going to rise tomorrow. I wonder if his inside info is going to come true 😉

    And you actually think Crokes somehow threatened not to participate in the replay? You really do have an active imagination. How exactly would the threat have been made and by whom? Are your suspicions based on an anonymous source by any chance? 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Treble double


    It's too easy to be critical of the officials, this episode has shown that the whole area around substitutions is a shambles.

    The ref and the linesman had so much on their plate as the game went into injury time with the result in the balance that it would have taken a robot to get everything word for word as per the rulebook. That's not taking into to account the abuse they would be getting from players, management and the crowd of both sides.

    Reffs need more help on the field, the games are gone too fast for one man to be saddled with that responsibility and be open to ridicule from couch potatoes on social media for every error they make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Let me rephrase my question. Will the officials that didn't ensure the player had left the pitch, have to ref the replay?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,445 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well back in 1998 on the Clare v Offaly hurling replay where Jimmy Cooney blew early. He did not officiate the second replay. So I assume the match officials will be take out of the firing line?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    In this case, play was stopped and they needed to make sure two players left the field after two subs came on. It's really not that difficult and if they can't manage that then they should be officiating games. They panicked because it was the last few seconds of an AI club final.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Open to correction but it's always a different ref for replays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'Sources say' can mean many things. It can be a bluff by the writer/newspaper, it can be somebody flying a kite within an organisation, it can be a threat without anybody being held responsible etc etc.

    As I said, the reason the media took this 'source' on board is that it was probably a threat. Which hasn't worked and Crokes will now play the replay.....or Croke's will take a strop and refuse to play as the source implied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭celt262


    Nobody will care as long as the Dubs are punished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Teams are hard done by Ref's decisions everyweek....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    So team doesnt have any fault? Because they do. Officials deserve criticism but a team should be ensuring they stick to right procedures as much as officials are responsible for ensuring teams stay in line.

    Many would be calling for this if a dublin side were not involved. That a Dublin side was involved is irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭celt262


    I think it is very relevant if Glen had of won in the same circumstances and Kilmacud appealed i could envisage the masses on here saying that they need to accept the defeat and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    But my main point is the county of the teams involved on either side is irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭celt262




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Crokes saying they'll not play a replay just shows their arrogance.

    GAA given them 3 days to respond because they're busy with transfer deadline day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    It's never the same referee for a replay anyways, in normal circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭elefant


    Is that a joke? They were two points down with the last kick of the game in an All-Ireland final, and they're being given a chance to start afresh from zero-zero. Looking at, what, 10/1 (being very generous) to score a goal from a 45, back to around 15/8 as they were at throw-in.

    It's some serious clutching at straws to make out that that level of improved odds of an All-Ireland is being hard done by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ever wonder if this arrogant sense of victimhood among big clubs and counties is the problem?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    I am sure Kilmacud will manage to field the bones of a reasonably competitive team even if they have an odd lad travelling , this from the interweb.....

    Kilmacud Crokes is the largest GAA club in Ireland with 140 teams, 5,700 players and members as well as being involved with many local schools and groups.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,445 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Unfortunately those 5700 players and members were not Shane Walsh prior to this season. Crokes would not have won Dublin without him. Always very Mannion dependent with their slow passing build up. And if Mannion was off form or injured that normally meant Crokes did not do well.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,445 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well back in 91 when Dublin played Meath four times it was the same ref. Howard.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Not at all and I haven’t argued that. It’s weird though that a team wasn’t given the actual opportunity to have the players leave the field though. Ref hand his arm up, which should have prevented the 45 from being taken. When the mistake was brought to his attention he refused to have the 45 retaken and went for the ostrich approach. That would have solved all this messing.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭elefant


    Yes, of course taking the 45 again would have been the best resolution. Once the referee decided not to do that, every punitive resolution is unfair to Crokes who were in a very advantageous position before the kick was taken. (Taking for granted that they obviously didn't do it on purpose).

    How likely to you think a team is to score a goal from a 45 in football?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I don't think there is a rule to punish a team giving a walkover, other than obviously awarding the victory to the opposition. So Crokes would not need to worry on that score. I'm basing that on what happened in the O'Byrne Cup which being county is a higher level than club.



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