Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Bermuda is not the Bahamas 😂 Try again.

Racism, racism, you don’t remember Harry saying there was no racism? 🤡

Even worse as the Governorship of Bermuda (a tax haven) is a political role and is held at the moment by a British female civil servant of African-Caribbean descent. Bearing in mind H&Ms support for poverty in third world countries, heading up a tax haven wouldn't exactly be something they could morally preside over.

Well blow me down, could the whole story have been a lie then? ….. Harry would NEVER lie - he got married before the ceremony, Archie was denied a title because of his possible skin colour, the Air New Zealand lie in Spare, the whole story when the Queen Mother died, the story of how he first met Meghan, the ‘suicide training flight’ in Spare that never happened, there are countless more - yes, he’s a very very reliable source 🙄

So, those of you who hate the Daily Mail, (DM), look away now, (promise no links though :P) but here's my observations:

When all hell broke loose in both the run up and aftermath of Andrew's BBC interview a few years ago, I noticed a number of stories suddenly appearing in the DM pushing the notion that the pictures of himself and Virginia Giuffre were fake. My "feeling" at the time, was that these stories were being "pushed" out there by "someone" close to the RF, and Andrew in particular.

Roll on to the last few days, and we have had stories about "Andrew finally clearing his name with new information" and "challenging the civil case last year" and "the Queen promising him this situation was only temporary" - whilst the quotes in inverted commas aren't the direct headlines without actual links, they're as close as, and you can google them if you wish as I know how some posters here just hate DM articles

. And indeed, we also have stories over the last week about Andrew getting money from the Queen (so he's kindof flash with cash right now to do this legal challenge) but also stories of him being depressed, and being kicked out of Buckingham palace - both office and Batchelor pad.

So what's this got to do with the H&M thread?

Well, when you read such a paper enough, like I do, in a critical sense, like I do, you do become sensitive to the fagaries of such "news" items - and I'm getting the same feelings about the Andrew stories over the last week as I did about the fake picture stories a few years ago.

They're planted- plain and simple.

So what tabloid stories about H&M have been planted? Either now or in the past?

Anyone care to mention a few?

Not at all, I think they're all at it. But I do like the fact they are challenging everything and don't care if they're being hypocrites about it because there is something obscene about the way the British Royal Family still functions compared to other European Royals.

Andrew isn't important to the Royal Family, insofar as he's been somewhat ostracised, sidelined and therefore neutralised. Don't forget, he was the "Spare" to Charles. What goes around, comes around. Remember Koo Stark??

Andrew shot himself in the foot (probably both feet, some feat 😲) in that unbelievably excellent interview by Emily Maitlis, and with a new film which will tell the story of how producers of Newsnight secured that interview in production, he's going nowhere, except further down the tubes. He may have been the Queen's favourite, but (RIP) the Queen's no longer around.

There are two separate issues here - Harry and Meghan - and Andrew. This is a thread about H&M. I thought there was another one about Andrew??

I've met Andrew, back in his Koo Stark days. He was not a very pleasant person, being rather overly infatuated with his own importance.

I'm probably one of those posters you are talking about. The reason I've brought up Andrew is that I am baffled that this thread was so full of vitriol for Harry & Meghan that I couldn't see the same level of hate being thrown on Andrew. This was before the Netflix series and Spare came out. Back then it was mainly the interviews and the downtrodden act, and I get not believing them or strongly disliking them, but as I mentioned back then, I was taken aback by the intensity of hate, you'd swear they filmed a TikTok of them kicking puppies. Andrew on the other hand, hung out with a convicted paedophile and paid off a victim of sex trafficking.

That's what has always baffled me - the intensity and fervency of hate towards them. I know some of it was stirred up in the media and then they started digging their own hole, that now they can't get out of. I'm not even a fan of theirs but I felt l had to somewhat stand up for them. God knows why, I don't think a monarchy has a place in modern society.

I'm still in awe to be honest, at how well the RF has reformed Camilla's image and now refer to her as Queen (the consort conveniently forgotten). I despise cheaters and I think very little of Charles and Camilla, but I could not bring myself to be so gleeful over writing such hateful comments that I've seen, not just here but on other social media and digital media pages.

Sorry, it's a bit all over the place, dying of a headache. Just wanted to shed some light. Can't speak for the other posters but that's just where I came from.

There is a thread on Andrew in AH - but like yourself, I too have brought up Andrew simply as an example of how the RF have used the press for their own means-I’ve no reason to believe that H&M have also done the same- that’s the only reason I’ve brought up Andrew - it’s certainly not to derail the thread but simply to show the the RF in general play the game of media, and as a result, public opinion, manipulation.

Where H&M have complained, is that they didn’t get the same access and cooperation of this media manipulation game as some of the other senior royals- like boo hoo- so what are they doing now?

They’re choosing their own media outlets to “control” their narrative - it’s no different to the current arrangement the RF have with the UK tabloids and BBC etc - it’s still about PR, putting oneself in a good light etc etc

Harry going on about his “truth” is nothing more than simply choosing media outlets that paint him in a good light for PR purposes with the ultimate aim of enabling him to make millions of dollars as a result of this positive PR.

He’s not doing anything other celebrities aren’t doing but enshrining such stories as “truth” is pathetic and it’s an attempt to create some sort of saintly aura around him - something I at least can see for what it is- simple bog standard PR spin

It’s very clear, people hate lying hypocrites - crying ‘we just want privacy’ and then throwing themselves into the media relentlessly for years. Telling their story on Oprah , then retelling a new story on Netflix which doesn’t match up with the new story in Spare. Soon there’ll be another realigning of the truth in Meghan’s book no doubt. Complaining for years about their family whilst doing everything possible to stay connected to that family, for money, even using their own child to strike at a 90 year old matriarch of their horrible family by stealing her childhood nickname. No-one hates them for quitting the country, they are hated for what they’ve done since - they need to get on with their own lives, do something worthwhile for a change, lay off the drugs, and stop making money by selling out their family.

The press publishes lies both ways, there’s as much pro Harry anti royal stuff as there is the other. That’s tabloid trash - I presumed the post meant hatred from the general public. I certainly paid the whole thing no attention until the Oprah interview and its obvious pack of lies. If they were quiet that year I presume it’s because ‘Pa’ was still supporting them with a pittance of only a few million, as they transitioned to independence in a 16 bedroom mansion, poor dears.

It completely rational - she is a lying hypocrite. Go watch Oprah again! they tried to scrub it from the internet, but enough people saved it so could be on record.