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GAA TV Rights 2023 on - Sky out, Saturday league games to RTE/TG4, Some C’ship games on GAA Go

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Despite what the GAA seem to believe, a major league selling such a large chunk of its rights to its own in house service in its domestic market is basically unheard of. The games the US leagues (particularly the NFL) give to their in house channels/services in the US are basically the scraps and are only there at all to ensure the in house networks get cable carriage. No major football (soccer that is) league has gone down this route in their domestic market either. It’s a risky move for the GAA and I suspect it wouldn’t have happened if negotiations with Sky hadn’t fallen through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,322 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Nail on head with the above.

    This was a big hit (negatively) for GAA to lose the Sky rights. The big money is in selling rights still. Almost a guarantee they’ll be running at a loss with the GAA Go stuff, so that’s why I’d expect a gradual stripping down of quality of broadcast from initial matches to later in the season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,676 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The GAA tournaments are not "major leagues" and are no way comparable to the multi million viewer soccer and American leagues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    The other point to make about the NFL Network deal is that a) it’s a full time broadcast channel, it doesn’t pop up just for the games and b) the games have to be carried on terrestrial channels in local markets

    But as has been said, comparing the NFL to the GAA is insane



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    In context. They are the biggest player in the Irish sports scene with the overall biggest gate.

    Of course no league in Europe, let alone in Ireland, is ever going to be comparable to the NFL. It’s the biggest sporting league revenues wise in the world. It’s also the biggest sport in a country of 300 million people. The Premier League and Champions League are the only European leagues that even come close. I didn’t intend to say otherwise and I’m not sure where that is coming from.

    Sure the GAA is a minnow in the global sporting scene. It doesn’t pretend to be otherwise. But it is the only game in town in hundreds of towns and villages up and down this country. It is the biggest sporting organisation in Ireland. If it isn’t a major league in an Irish context, what is? Not the League of Ireland anyway, and the URC is a cross border competition with just four Irish clubs.

    The point is, show me the comparable sporting organisation that has “sold” a substantial chunk of its domestic rights to an in house service on an exclusive basis. Chose an organisation with comparable revenues to the GAA, if you like, but occupies a similar position to it in its domestic market.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    They might suprise us. I hope they do as i just bought it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,676 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It doesn't matter if the GAA is the "biggest in town" that doesn't change it's tiny viewing figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Exactly. TV revenue for all sports in Ireland is tiny. Nearly every major/professional league depends on them throughout the world but it’s not applicable here for a variety of reasons

    LOI TV made a profit for clubs last year fwiw but the broadcast costs were kept down to a minimum. first year was a GAA Go run system (with RTE) but they went solo (contracted out) in 2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I bought the GAA go season ticket but i cant seam to access any content does it only kick in January?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Not till April.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I should have read the small print, i taught there would be access to the docs and past games



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    RTE announce coverage:

    Jacqui Hurley, to no one’s great surprise, takes over the Sunday Game evening show, Damien Lalor will present the new Saturday Game evening show.

    I wonder will RTE ever do away with the distinction between the Sunday Game and League Sunday. Aside from different sponsors and title sequences they are now basically the same show with the same on air talent - the days when Sunday Sport (as it used to be called) came from a broom cupboard with no analysis and aired post 11pm are long gone. Not this season it seems at any rate - next Saturday’s opener, Mayo v Galway, is still billed as “Saturday GAA Live” rather than “The Saturday Game Live”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭lertsnim


    Is she still going to do the rugby coverage now?



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Monaghan v Armagh in Div 1 is to be shown on the BBC iplayer this weekend. Wonder will they block it in the South, considering that a Southern county is involved?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Every last thing on the iPlayer is blocked in ROI, not sure how one match would be singled out to be different. It’s a pity but something the BBC is very precious about unfortunately.



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    True. I can see Monaghan people who can’t go to the game being a bit peeved about this when their neighbours literally just up the road in Armagh will be able to watch it!



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just a further query here. Does anybody know whether RTE’s GAA coverage has been blocked in the past for those with an NI Sky sub or who are getting RTE from the terrestrial NI mux? If it hasn’t, this would set a new precedent where GAA TV coverage has been determined by the border. Mightn’t go down well with those who see the GAA as a 32 county body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭lertsnim


    It was accidentally blocked last year for a game I think but RTE has all island rights to the games so it shouldn't have happened.

    RTÉ should be allowed to show these iPlayer games online at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Can you explain what you mean by blocked out? Surely you cannot use iPlayer in the first place unless you have a UK ISP or use a VPN?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Thats exactly what I mean, you need to have a U.K. IP to view any content on iPlayer, they’re not targeting ROI specifically. I understand the reasoning of course but it’s especially annoying because it’s also quite clear that BBC now own the ROI rights to many of their shows. Witness the deal over Doctor Who recently where the BBC retained the full rights in ROI and it’s not covered by the Disney+ deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Thanks for clarification. Bit like TG4 player which blocks out some sporting events if you don't have a ROI isp yet we can watch these same events here in N. Ireland on TG 4 via Freeview NI minimux. They're obviously trying to prevent access in rest of UK while preventing viewers in this part of UK from watching. BTW NI Mini mux cannot be received in some parts of NI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Just thinking about this more closely. Could BBC not do with iplayer what TG4 do with their player .i.e. make it available worldwide but geo block just certain programmes that they have UK rights only for or does their charter prevent them doing so?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    They could, as far as I can tell. Years ago they made a version of iPlayer available internationally on a pay basis. More like a proto-Britbox than the U.K. version, it didn’t last long.

    There is a bit of ideology behind it I fear; wanting to limit things to U.K. license payers and stressing linking paying the U.K. TV license to accessing iPlayer. It is different to RTE where there is a strong emphasis on serving Northern Ireland and the diaspora through the online services, the BBC have left the diaspora at the mercy of the commercial side, whatever what used to be called BBC Enterprises/Worldwide is called this week. Limited availability of linear services only in areas that could historically pick up the BBC terrestrial overspill (Ireland, Belgium, Holland, and stretching things Luxembourg) and in Switzerland ( for local legal reasons that the BBC can do nothing about and just have to work with). Otherwise you have to make some sort of payment towards the BBC if you want to access it (overspill notwithstanding).

    There is a slight hope; Sky Glass users have access to BBC catch-up, which Sky somehow negotiated. The hope is they did that deal once they might do it again. That won’t help the GAA, of course.



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GAA Go are broadcasting a selection of league games this weekend. €12 a game or €79 for the season ticket. Anything that's on RTE or TG4 isn't on GAA Go for the RoI & NI. The exception is the Monaghan v Armagh game which is on both GAA GO & the IPlayer.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    So basically, just the games on BBC available in ROI (presumably not NI).

    though it seems they’re available to anyone who bought a championship pass which is a welcome bonus I guess.



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, the season pass is good value. I believe it was available for just €59 if you signed up before 31st December. Think €12 is a bit steep for an individual game though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Thank you for an excellent and informative post. Explains the situation with clarity. This is what makes these forums so worthwhile for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    When it comes to streaming rights, RTÉ & TG4s provision for this outside the Republic of Ireland has long been problematic for many in NI, even when they indicate that it should be possible for viewers with an "NI IP address" to watch content. I'm not sure about these days, but I remember back in the days of dial-up and early ADSL internet access, the main Irish ISPs used to connect customers to a regional data centre, so for example someone connecting from Ballybofey using Telecom internet would be connected to a server based in Sligo. With a few exceptions (usually BT), most commercial ISPs in the UK never really did this regionalisation bit, instead they connected customers to various parts of the country. This meant that an awful lot of internet users (if not the majority) in NI, where their allocated IP address is geolocated, are traced to be coming from GB, which for the likes of RTÉ is a "no go". Complaints ring in about it to this day, for example snippets of match action placed on Twitter that is georestricted to the RoI only, but there's no easy way around this other than to use a VPN that has a server located in the Republic.

    As to the GAA's "upgrading" of GAA Go for 2023, I see it as a classic case of an Irish solution to an Irish problem. I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that a quiet approach was made to Virgin Media but they were told they were not interested and as a result have gone down this in-house route. If the experience in many Ulster counties is anything to go by, where streaming of club championship games have proven very popular - there was even a suggestion a couple of years ago that Tyrone declined an offer from TG4 to broadcast live a club SFC double-header as the money offered was dwarfed by the projected income they would have got from broadcasting the games themselves over the internet on PPV - then for those whom want to see a good bit more action than the casual viewer, the whole package at €79 IMO is a steal as long as the production values are half decent (and even more so when it was €59 before the end of last month). A few other sporting bodies elsewhere I'm sure will be watching how this all pans out for the GAA.



  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not surprisingly, Monaghan v Armagh is blocked on the BBC iPlayer here in the RoI. Must say this is very unfair for Monaghan people who can’t get to the game and are forced to fork out €12 to watch it on GAA Go, while their neighbours in Armagh can watch it for free on the iPlayer.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eamonn fitzmaurice on co commentary. Dreadful.



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