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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I don’t understand your obsession with population density and it’s bearing on how many immigrants we can accommodate or who should go where.

    Many of the people coming here are from countries with much lower population densities than Ireland.

    Georgia

    Somalia

    Ukraine

    Zimbabwe

    South Africa

    Central African Republic

    Sudan

    etc.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Have you read boards? Of course it's populated by those few hundred far right types and reregs lol. Lets get a good laugh again at the next elections. Thankfully those types are dying off and the younger generation (who voted in favour of gay marriage and abortion) will be the dominant force going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The far right in Ireland isn't big enough to fill 2 buses.

    The idea that there are hundreds of far right alone on a small site like boards is delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭questioner22


    Many of the people coming here are from countries with much lower population densities than Ireland.

    Exactly.

    What the 'international community' should be doing is building in those countries, improving services in those countries.

    It's obvious that's not the aim though - to help people. It's obvious that the intention is to destroy our country, and to create general upheaval.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,434 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You say the Irish population has jumped enormously in the last 20-25 years. I would say it hasn't in the context of where 'it should have been' - it was coming off a very low base, then following a period when Ireland was depopulating (the 1950s) and we even saw depopulation as recently as 1990, something that wasn't happening anywhere else in western Europe. We were arguably just playing catch up and restoring our population levels to where it should have been all along, rather than seeing any unnatural population growth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo



    So what has that got to do with the price of turkeys.

    We can all play the what if game ...

    There used to be saying to describe the claptrap you are coming out with to somehow show we should have a much bigger population than we have and thus it is ok to just dump people in the thousands into the country.

    People that have no means of supporting themselves and need state services to exist.

    They used to say "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle"

    Of course in the modern Western World my aunt could have balls and my mother could be my father.🙄



    One thing that comes to mind and is even evident here with some posters.

    For some this didn't kick off for a lot of people until the last few months, when Dublin itself started having to take in these "asylum seekers".

    It has been happening to a lot of others for a few years now and a lot of people in Dublin didn't give a flying fook, being honest.

    Achill, Oughterard, Rooskey, Moville, Ballinamore all much much smaller with far less services than Ballymun, East Wall, Ballyfermot.

    And in the middle of nowhere with no proper transport to boot.

    It was ok to dump bunches of young men in these towns and villages and when the locals complained they were labeled backwards culchie inbreds.

    One could almost have a bit of schadenfreude for our Dublin cousins who thought it was a laugh when the boggers had to house these people.

    But now poorer Dubs get to experience what their richer neighbours really think of them.

    They are labeled illiterate criminals, backward, dole spongers, etc

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Restoring our population levels with people who have nothing in common with this country.

    If you want to replace Irish people with people from around the world then the current policy is working well, if you want to build a country of people who love and respect Irish culture, heritage and traditions then you need to provide a system that encourages Irish people to have families.

    The United States is perhaps the best example of mass immigration into a country with a small populace of natives, the Native Americans no longer control their country because of mass immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Funnily enough if you are from West Africa you are likely to have had a relation in the last century, even less who owned slaves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,434 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm not suggesting that "we should have a much bigger population" or that we should be aiming to have a population of 6m, far from it. I'm simply saying that to treat population growth as if its unnatural or an aberration or something that needs to be stamped out is a weird way of looking at things (and especially given our history of many decades of growth stagnation and even depopulation).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I wrote a post already around here actually mentioning population growth, not sure if it was in respond to you?

    (Site is so shyte that you can't now search all your old posts to cross check things).

    This isn't organic growth of increased birthrate, low emigration, steady immigration of skilled labour to fill labour requirements.

    This is madness of just importing people with nothing to support them bar the existing taxpayers.

    Yeah yeah they might be able to do manual labour sometime that Irish will not do, but then again manual labour is decreasing due to automation and will drastically drop in recessionary times.

    Looney land economics.

    Looney land social experimentation that has failed everywhere else.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭buried


    Your definition of "population growth" is not based on the traditional modes of what a states traditional mode of "population growth " actually was and should be, and you are talking about traditional modes of population growth, as you have given this islands history as an example.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's your Adam Smith vision that people disagree with. We thought your views were left behind in the Galway Tent at 4am after and a gram of Coke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Putting lol in nearly every post does not make them funny.

    I have read boards and I mostly see people raising genuine concerns and asking questions and are up for a discussion.

    Boards does also have a handful of posters who refuse to engage in a discussion and shout far right and racist instead of debating.

    The reality is they can't debate because they have no argument for what they believe in.

    The fact you think boards has a few hundred far right members is just another delusion to go with the other beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭buried


    The most frightening aspect of this current mess is the actual realization that the politicians that we handsomely pay much money for supposedly "leading the state" are not in any sort of control whatsoever, either that or they are stuck in the realms of idiocy that a high infants student would be be scolded for. They are not in control, you can't tell me that the current leaders who are in control of the state and its current lack of decent infrastructure, who know what is actually going on, think its a good idea to import another limitless amount of people into this defunct infrastructure situation. Somebody somewhere should have the basic cop on to scream "stop" but they don't, or won't. Nobody is that stupid, hence they have no control over what is going on. Which begs the question, if none of them have any control, then what are we paying them for? Seriously

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    On a per capita basis, we have taken double the number of Ukrainian refugees than Denmark. Yet we are almost double the distance from Ukraine. Unlike the shambles here, the Danes appreciate that you can't maintain a welfare state in the face of open borders. They have a "zero-refugee policy" and have serious politicians that actually prioritise their own people.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    irishfreeview threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭questioner22


    That divide between rich and poor Dubs had always existed.

    I'm sure there were many in Dublin aware of these plantations of small villages in Ireland. What could they do? Doesn't mean they didn't care!

    Basically these policies have come in because vast majority of the population do not care about consequences and do not think long-term. Generally speaking it's all about making money and doesn't seem to matter how or where it comes from. Many supported EU for example because they liked the idea of being bribed/selling their soul, etc. Of course they didn't label it as that, but that's what happened in effect.

    When all people care about is money and short-term pleasure, this is what we end up with. Country taken over by outsiders - i.e. those who do plan and who do think long-term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It is quite odd. It's almost like there is no understanding of the history of the population of Ireland. The idiots that would like to take Ireland out of the EU and lower the population moving forward are just lacking in knowledge really. No desire to actually learn about the economics of the situation either. It's easier to just blame migrants and asylum seekers. Then acting like they have some top secret information that the Irish public needs to "wake up" to, lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The Government do not seem to be telling the country about this wonderful "economic situation" that forces them to allow unlimited asylum seekers. I don't recall them ever laying out the economic viewpoint for the people to digest and understand. All I can recall are them citing "International Protection" and our obligations under that system.

    I'm open to correction though, but that is my take on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Let me guess Great Replacement meets QAnon on steroids

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭bertieinexile


    All I can recall are them citing "International Protection" and our obligations under that system.


    Ireland currently has no European Union obligation to take in refugees as it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on individual proposals in the areas of freedom, security and justice through the EU Treaty of Lisbon.

    Ireland has *chosen* to participate in EU relocation and resettlement schemes

    The EU has never forced Ireland to take in refugees or immigrants.

    In fact, Ireland has no obligation to take in refugees as, along with Denmark, it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on justice and immigration measures under the Lisbon Treaty.

    Ireland voluntarily agreed to fully participate in the EU relocation and resettlement schemes.





    (And before anyone tries to quibble with that - every sentence above is taken from the website of the EU Commision.)

    https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/ireland-voluntarily-agrees-take-part-eu-schemes-resettle-refugees-2021-02-28_en



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭questioner22


    The EU has never forced Ireland to take in refugees or immigrants.

    I suppose if they were forced, bribed etc, they would print it in this 'factsheet' :-|

    It's a strange article really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    We are probably the envy of other EU members with our opt out clause but instead we take in every joker that shows up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's been the Irish way to roll over on every EU policy area for the last 15 years for fear that attention would be drawn to Irish taxation policy if it failed to do so.

    In the end, they came for it anyway.

    It's also been jumping headlong into every EU policy initiative since Brexit - possibly as a consequence of numerous side deals required to keep the 26 on side on that front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Liath Luachra


    The governments policy on encouraging immigration seems to have been sold with global welfare in mind as opposed to national welfare. If it is the latter, this needs to be articulated more clearly to the public. Its unlikely that encouraging immigration, as it currently stands is not for the benefit of its existing citizens - if it were, we would be more selective and have an emphasis on skills and filling shortages. As it stands, the majority entering the country will remain reliant on government support and become active competitors with working class communities/students for jobs and housing. The differences in opinion here sometimes is whether our global humanitarian obligations take precedence over the needs of the present citizens.

    This is essentially a large scale human experiment - for it to work, existing communities need to be listened to and all the more so, to working class communities where the sense of community is strong and perhaps, its greatest strength. Labelling them racist/fascist etc will only serve to strengthen that sense of community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    "Buried"

    You asked the question and it's a good one. The line often repeated that "we have a legal and moral obligation to help desperate people" suggests that some kind of international law means Ireland cannot control it's borders.

    If what was written above is true then it tantamount to deception since Ireland can legally opt out.

    I mean it's beyond me why people from Georgia, Albania, Nigeria etc are entertained.

    Awesome! Here's me thinking I'd have to sacrifice my Euro currency and deal with losing membership of the European Union when in fact all that is needed is a "sorry we would rather not. Thank you."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,517 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's been the Irish way to roll over on every EU policy area for the last 15 years for fear that attention would be drawn to Irish taxation policy if it failed to do so.

    You mean like when the Irish government took the EU to court to give a private American company back billions?

    😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I often wonder why do so many choose a small, obscure country on the edge of Europe to come to? Not France, UK, Spain, Germany...

    They just look at a map and put the finger on a depressingly dull little country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    The phrase "international obligations" has certainly been heavily pushed in the media over the last week.

    It's perfect propaganda. Its partly an appeal to our collective conscience, and partly a threat to behave ourselves because some vague international higher authority is watching us.

    It also frames the whole thing as part of a wider global mission that we should be proud of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    If the government wanted to increase the population, would growth of the Irish population by Irish people not be the beat option.

    Between rent and childcare fees a couple both working in a lot of cases are living paycheck to paycheck.

    Is it any wonder Irish people are having less kids when it's hard to support themselves.



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