General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

Drumpot · 14-01-2023 02:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107684#Comment_120107684

He’s not obliged to stop running and didn’t affect city defending so he played zero role in how the goal ended up. It’s that simple

14-01-2023 02:47PM

I’m a united fan, but that’s 100% offside, city only tracked that run because he was ‘in play’. Now, I’m not complaining but if it was the other way around I would be raging.

Drumpot · 14-01-2023 02:47PM

Rule is not popular, no real complaints for half a season.

United benefit from that rule and all of a sudden the rules of the game need to be changed because of the travesty of that rule.

jacool · 14-01-2023 02:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107543#Comment_120107543

His goals alone are responsible for 21 of the 39 points City have in the league thus far. If you are counting Man Utd as a "better team", he scored 3 against them this season already.

As regards Arsenal, yes, this league now looks wide open.

11/10 Man City

11/8 Arsenal

14/1 Man Utd

60/1 and better, the rest

TipsyMcStagge · 14-01-2023 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107702#Comment_120107702

Not true at all everyone was complaining about Liverpools goal last week.

McFly85 · 14-01-2023 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107692#Comment_120107692

It’s a dumb rule because ultimately it allows an offside and onside call to be technically correct.

The ref blows up the minute the ball is played he’s considered correct because of Rashfords position. But not calling it while he continues to be active is also somehow considered onside.

If that’s the letter of the law then fine, but like Salahs last week it’s complete nonsense imo.

earthwormjack · 14-01-2023 02:52PM

Rashford faking a shot was the best part about the Bruno goal. He's clearly interfering imo but the rule is just open to interpretation which makes it a bit of a mess to be honest.

Fitz* · 14-01-2023 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107662#Comment_120107662

Surely running in line with the ball, blocking defenders and then shimmying his weight while standing over the ball does classify as interfering as the keeper will see this shimmy and change his positioning accordingly.

Drumpot · 14-01-2023 03:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107771#Comment_120107771

Clearly not as it’s only people in here who are complaining about it.

ShamoBuc · 14-01-2023 03:06PM

City just not at it again. Barely a shot on target and back to back games with not a single shot on target for Haaland.

Contrast that with Rashford, the form player. Thought the decision for the goal, just like Salah's last week was perfectly correct.

Arsenal the real winners but it's also nice to see City lose.

BorneTobyWilde · 14-01-2023 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107705#Comment_120107705

That City v United game was not one to judge a player on, or United on, as it was early into ETH reign , forgetting that game has Haaland even scored a goal against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, this United side, Spurs ect, doubt it

nullzero · 14-01-2023 03:13PM

Rashford showed serious awareness with how he dealt with letting the ball run through for Bruno to score, that's the game and he's played it brilliantly there.

Any fan of any club would love to see a player of theirs show that type of nous, what's next? Players shielding the ball to let it go out for a goal kick should be booked?

There's plenty of real sh1thousery in football to worry about, moaning about what Rashford did today is just sour grapes.

y0ssar1an22 · 14-01-2023 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107604#Comment_120107604

its not a joke of a decision, its the rule that is a joke and it needs addressing

earthwormjack · 14-01-2023 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107829#Comment_120107829

No it was a joke of a decision. The rule is a little muddled maybe but the offside call was correct initially. Madness for VAR to overturn it.

TipsyMcStagge · 14-01-2023 03:29PM

All Brighton here just can't score. Southampton dominating at Goodison as well.

Drumpot · 14-01-2023 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107829#Comment_120107829

They generaly try to amend the rules to give the advantage to the to reward attacking play.

I think rather then complain that Rashford was interfering, it should be on the city team to play either way as if Bruno and or Rashford are going to take the shot.

The city player behind Rash should of sprinted right up to him that would of made it look like rash was interfering with his run but he didn’t. He was nowhere near Rashford therefore Rashford did not interfere with that defender. It’s like defenders putting their arms in the air when a player looks offside instead of playing on until offside is called. Defenders need to be coached to react exactly as if it’s always onside until the game stops.

The keeper wasn’t affected either as Bruno practically took the shot in the position Rashford would have so I think on the balance of play , it’s better that teams learn to defend factoring in the rule rather then role back the rule that will penalise more cute attacking play.

As others have said , there’s other rules that defenders get away with (obstruction) at certain parts of the game. There’s also rules that are “frees outside the box” that for sole reason are not given in the box.

The game and rules aren’t perfect but I think it’s better to have rules that favour forward players and goals more then defensive tactics/elements.

The game at the upper level is about entertainment afterall. As with all rules, the biggest frustration is normally consistency.

TipsyMcStagge · 14-01-2023 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107786#Comment_120107786

Correct City can complain about the goal all they like the fact is they were poor for most of the game bar a 20 minute purple patch when they scored 1 SOT in the whole game is not good enough. ETH got his tactics spot on completely nullified Haaland almost completely shut down De Bruyne as well stopped City from playing.

fyfe79 · 14-01-2023 03:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107783#Comment_120107783

Not really. Watched a panel of Owen, Berbatov and Wright-Philips all indicate that it was probably offside due to Rashford changing his position to chase the ball.

In the Liverpool game just now, TAA was offside when a shot was played, it hit a defender and went out of play, but because TAA chased it (without touching it) it was given as offside instead of a throw-in to Liverpool.

doc_17 · 14-01-2023 03:41PM

Just make a change to the rule then? If the offside players goes for the ball, whether he touches it or not, the. It’s offside.

earthwormjack · 14-01-2023 03:43PM

Looking just offside in the build up for Brighton

y0ssar1an22 · 14-01-2023 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107975#Comment_120107975

its not even going for the ball, needs to encompass more....

if you block the keepers sightline, or the keeper has to re-adjust cos you are blocking the line...interfering with play

if you go to clear a ball cos someone is behind you that you dont know is offside...interfering with play.

TipsyMcStagge · 14-01-2023 03:51PM

Liverpool being absolutely battered at Brighton.

yourdeadwright · 14-01-2023 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107580#Comment_120107580

He 100% effect the City players

Ederson is effected most by Rashford run as he takes up a position based on Rashford running line

Walker also trailed Bruno but thinks Rashford who's offside is about to shoot so runs towards goal

He 100% interfered withh the City players , there's no way Bruno gets the ball if Rashford isn't off side

Fitz* · 14-01-2023 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107783#Comment_120107783

I can see a lot more outside of here.

There was an incident around the 23rd minute of the Brighton Liverpool game there. Gakpo had a shot from the edge of the box, blocked and was going out towards the sideline. Trent, who was offside when the shot was struck, went to run towards it but never did touch it. The linesman flagged straight away for offside as he was deemed offside. If the linesman didn't flag, Liverpool would have had a throw-in in an attacking area.

Why was the same incident given with 2 different results? Which one was correct and which one was wrong?

y0ssar1an22 · 14-01-2023 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108080#Comment_120108080

did the TAA incident go to VAR?

14-01-2023 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108080#Comment_120108080

It was the same result, linesman flagged both but VAR over ruled, Var doesnt get involved for throw ins

Drumpot · 14-01-2023 04:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108080#Comment_120108080

Oh you mean the reliable hysterical social media platforms and players looking for attention on twitter? The ref at the game, the linesman and the ref on BT all think the rules were applied correctly. Most people whining just don’t like the rule.

What I notice is that when United are irrelevant, you hear little about sh*t that goes for or against them. But whenever they are actually looking like a challenger, people lose their sh*t about any decisions that can be subjectively interpreted as favouring them. People who comment on United stuff get hits because people either love or hate United and want to read sh*t (usually negative) about them.

If that instance happens in a mid table game or even favours city against a mid table team nobody gives a crap. They’ve gotten plenty of advantages, particularly with cynical fouling going unpunished, so f**k them to be honest.

Consistency of rules being applied is a different issue in most games where you can find incidences given in one and not another. That’s different from “that rule is sh*t”.

14-01-2023 04:07PM

Brighton finally get the goal there played has deserved, they have been brilliant for the most part except the final decision making,

Mr.Crinklewood · 14-01-2023 04:07PM

Great goal by Wolves

Tippex · 14-01-2023 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107771#Comment_120107771

I'm a utd fan and delighted with the result. Yes the rule is a joke.

But it is a bit of a stretch for you to say that a player shimmying while standing over the ball is interfering with the keeper when the keeper is about 15 yards away. It's all about context.

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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