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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Longstand14


    The majority of the tiny amount of people deported from here (as pointed out) are voluntary returns of which we have very little proof that someone actually left the state as we do not scan passports out of the state. Most States scan passports when exiting, we don’t. I would question the number of VRs provided by the immigration service.

    Applicants who fail the international protection process have more chance of been hit by a meteorite than being deported.

    The most effective way of deporting a failed IP applicant is at the border. When they arrive at the state, Immigration officers should conduct a first stage screening of an application for international protection at the airport and make a decision to deport or move to the next stage of the process. Australia and many other states do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭Freight bandit


    No way they are going to deport most of these.its too costly and time consuming.ive said from the start the government wants this migration as part of their project 2040 plan,hence the amnesty also.they don't seem to be thinking long term of the consequences of it though as countries such as Denmark are starting to reverse earlier policies.

    What really annoys me is the government imposing this on communities and then playing a divide and conquer game.Their arguments are flimsy and very hypocritical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The point is the climate now exists for a nutter to do well in politics. Like we were told we had to take in Ukrainian refugees, which pretty much everyone agreed with. Then people see bus loads of immigrants from other countries (relatively stable countries) being rammed into every nook and cranny around the country. It’s actually nuts what we and many other countries are doing. There is no excuse for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Always depends on what is being protested. In the BLM mostly peaceful fires they were excused. But Some NP member means the whole protest is NP. When Mr Varadkar got coffee on him that was the end of the world until it turned out to probably be a YFG member then dropped like a hot rock. Far right turns up then everyone is Far right.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    If you want to discuss how many votes the likes of Peter Casey got start a thread on it

    This one is about the impact on accommodation of non-Ukrainian refugees (which I have stated many times and more threadbans will be handed out for trying to divert it onto other issues)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Longstand14


    IP applicants who arrive at the airport without a passport after a boarding plane to the state should be deported and returned on the carrier they came in on. These applicants are trying to conceal their true identity and are making a false application.

    Identity is a key part of an IP application. The onus is on the applicant to prove their story stacks up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Well, to use the people in the back of a lorry at Rosslare example : let's say 80 of them arrive and are then discovered by Immigration. Would it really make much difference if 40 of them had passports and the other 40 didn't? I think think there's a risk of getting a little too bogged down on this whole passports / documentation thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    You don't Buy a ticket or a visa to get in the back of a lorry. Entirely irrelevant. On another note Do people now agree after that NGO lad admitted Ireland was full last year we are full ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Em no.


    It means we know their names and can check if there is let’s say a warrant out for their arrest or have been convicted of certain crimes in previous countries.


    This is basic stuff that border control should be taking care of.


    Every country has a right to protect its borders.


    Seems Ireland hasn’t got the memo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Longstand14


    Your example does not make any sense, how many IP applicants came via a truck to Ireland in 2022 a handful, less than 20 probably.

    On the other hand, 40% of all IP applicants boarded a plane with a passport and then destroyed their documents on arrival in Dublin.

    Identity is a key part of the IP process, other states take this serious with an instant deportation for trying to conceal your identity.

    Another effective measure to reduce IP applicants and make deportations easier is to increase our Safe Country of Orgin list, Ireland has one of the smallest lists in the EU. We should add;

    Nigeria, Algeria, Pakistan to our list.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But the person still has to establish their identity with Immigration. They have to give their home country, home address, date and place of birth, what school or university they were educated at, who are their immediate relatives and next of kin, how exactly they got from their home country to Ireland etc. All of this stuff can be cross checked with international databases and with Interpol.

    The idea that not having a passport gives them a free pass is not correct. If they cannot establish their identity to the satisfaction of the authorities here, then they cannot make an actual asylum claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    This is what Leo said in November, yet still appears no limit to capacity

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    No inspections into O'Gorman lying to the public?

    on 12 December, Minister O'Gorman told RTÉ: "We are not going to be using the tents in Knocakisheen again."


    on 5 January, tented accommodation is once again being used to house international protection applicants in Knockalisheen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    As someone else alluded to Georgia in Europe or Georgia in the United States. It makes no difference. They're both safe places that in a word association game would not warrant "unsafe" or "war torn".

    Of course the media going to air that quote to prove the protesters are mere knuckle draggers.

    Reading the quote below boils my blood.

    "The cost of voluntary withdrawal as of June 2022, the latest information available, amounted to €438,512. That amount includes pre-return counselling, flights, medical support, escorts and post-return reintegration grants'.

    I honestly don't think I'll ever be worth 400k. Even after a lifetime of working I think I only get to half that. Outrageous! Is Ireland really that flush with cash?

    Maybe it would be cheaper to offer arrivals 100k to 200k in cash on the condition that they never present in Ireland again. Photograph and identify them. One time payment of 150k to just return. That 150k would go pretty far in Albania or Nigeria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,537 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Any evidence of this at all?

    Nope didn't think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,488 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Playback on RTE Radio 1 this morning is quite damning about the protests outside asylum seeker accommodation. Good balanced summary of the week.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,977 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Just wait another 10 years until the pension bomb really starts picking up speed, people will be kicking themselves for being against immigration of young fit workers to replace our 20 year birthrate decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    An incredibly flawed argument for unskilled immigration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,714 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Ah that nugget.

    Tell me how are people who are never going to work a day in their life going pay for our pensions?

    Nobody is against people coming here to contribute and make better life for themselves and contribute to country.

    Social Welfare is already the time bomb for so many

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,977 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ahh that old nugget the lazy immigrant who somehow is also responsible for taking everyone's jobs

    Unskilled workers still pay taxes. Our worker to retiree ratio is projected to fall from 4:1 currently to 2:1 by 2040, we cannot affored to pay state pensions as they are currently set with that ratio and its too late to start having kids to fix the gap so without immigration you tell me how we fix the gap of workers vs retirees?

    Honestly as usual I regret joining the thread filled with racist ignorant bigots, ill just put it back on ignore and let you all self masturbate yourselves into a frenzy of pathetic hatred for people who dont look like you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Why are most uber multicultural nations raising their pension ages then? They have many of the types that you want to welcome in already, yet oddly it's done little to fix the problem. You're literally trying to guilt people based on a hope, a hope that your narrative becomes true. And with the way this country is going, pensions won't be topping the list of worries in the future.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    There's automation and artificial intelligence that is going to be taking away a lot of jobs. Self driving buses and trucks are on the way. Automatic translation doing away with language skills being worthwhile attaining. Artificial intelligence that can write a lot of code.


    Human beings are not going to be in much demand in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Anyway if they are needed they ought to be able to come in on regular visas like everyone else. Like I did. I went abroad having to submit criminal background check and authenticated documents.

    International protection is supposed to be a different category.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Far left journalist batting for the government. Quelle surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Paint by numbers thinking... about as flawed and naive as it's possible to be on this issue.

    Communities are FAR more than just their birthrate and age of their workforce. It's short term thinking and greed like this, that will turn Ireland into a carbon copy of every other nation that has been systematically ruined by mass uncontrolled immigration! I feel sorry for the pensioners who are forced to live in the hell-scape that many of you would willingly create apparently for their benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    How would you say Russia is faring with zero immigration? This should be a model society full of happy people - and yet we know huge swathes of the population are living in abject poverty and life expectancy is 71. Also predicted that their population will drop by 20m in the next 25 years and their living standards will progressively become even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    What are you talking about?


    According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as of November 2021, there were 5.5 million migrants in Russia. Of these, 819,600 were in the country illegally.[10] In the first quarter of 2021, 1345 migrants were deported, more than in the same period last year. The number of deported migrants increased in Russia.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Russia does not have “zero immigration”. It has the 4th highest foreign born population according to the UN.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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