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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    How do you know the owners of these holiday homes are outspoken on climate change?

    They could all be climate change deniers for all you know

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,046 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...yup probably true, but cargo bikes probably arent a bad idea, and yes, the political greens are largely clueless, and if you think the irish greens are clueless, you should see what the german greens are at!

    yup, but you can probably say the same about a hell of a lot of other mineral mining, tis a rotten ould industry, and the fact, we ll probably never truly have a completely 'green' method of energy creation on this planet....

    ...nope, such behaviors are truly diabolical, and should be stopped, but yes, ev's are far better for the planet and subsequently for humanity, even considering these dreadful outcomes....

    ....and those that simply dont want to accept these facts, yet try to use their apparent outrage towards such, should really have a good look at themselves!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Water is of no use attempting to put out a lithium battery fire. If, as many are, are housed in a magnesium alloy you would only be adding to the fire intensity. Fire brigades are generally left with just one option, using a dry powder extinguisher where they need to get up close and personal. Never a great idea when dealing with a battery on fire. Even then it is of little use as with the salts in lithium batteries being self oxidizing they will as often as not reignite.

    If there is no danger to life from a lithium battery fire or an extraction from the vehicle is not required then fire brigades have much the same approach, as deckchairs and watching it burn. Difficult to blame them for not doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    this is the dumbest post ever, and people thanking it. ireland is a net importer of food, and most of the fruit and vegetables grown in ireland are grown in... dublin! 55% in fact.

    you people make beef and dairy, and guess what, you export it covered in plastic, 90% of it in fact, all around the world. you can't even walk to buy some of these plastic wrapped vegetables that are either imported, or grown in dublin, you have to drive! totally unsustainable way of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I'm all for unlocking the potential in our rural towns/villages, and obviously making them more viable and appealing places for people to live.

    However, I don't like this attitude of a "one size fits all" approach. The presenter here uses his own experience with building a one off house in the countryside, and how it turned out to be a mistake for HIM... but he seems to be attempting to transpose this onto everyone else who chooses to live in a one off house. This is plainly far too simplistic and one dimensional thinking. There are plenty of people who are very happy living in their house in the countryside - and it's also unfair to blame this trend as the sole cause behind the death of rural villages. It's obviously more multi-faceted than that. No matter how beautiful and efficient/ergonomic you make some trendy Eco-village, there will still always be a sub-set of the population who do not want to live there. Their dream is to live down some quiet country road/lane with their 1/2 acre plot etc... the well planned village with intelligently designed amenities etc will be very appealing to many people no doubt, but not everybody. So I would be against any policy that sought to force people to live in one particular way or another.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Half of German electricity came from renewable sources last year.

    If they didn't have those Solar PV and Wind turbines installed, they would have been even more dependent on Putin's gas and their economy would have been much more badly affected by the invasion of Ukraine last year

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    but that's the thing, if you let people build and live where they want on a whim, you end up with a big mess. that's why they have the technical disciplines of planners and civil engineers etc.

    sure you could let people build and live wherever they want, but it wouldn't be for the greater good of a better functioning society.

    luckily for you people seem to be able to build wherever they want in ireland though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Funnily enough, one of the 'impacts' the wind farms have is that they prevent trawlers from operating in their immediate viscinity

    Stopping trawlers is an impact that has knock on effects for biodiversity in the area

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Forcing everybody to live in a city/town/village for the greater good of society, will not be for the greater good because there will always be a certain percentage who do not find happiness or contentment living in that sort of environment. So you're forcing those people to be unhappy (and presumably spread their unhappiness among their neighbours), just so the other section of society can live their preferred lifestyle.

    It would be a bit like forcing everyone to live the lifestyle of an extrovert, just because maybe the majority are extroverts... but then the introverts are left being miserable in order to accommodate them. You will end up with a dysfunctional society, and plenty of disharmony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So I take it you're a 100% climate change denier and a conspiracy theorist.

    You think CO2 is an invented threat to justify people paying more taxes.

    Riiight

    I also note the 4 people who thanked this post and can presume that they share your position on this

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    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    So, liking a post is automatically saying you agree 100% with a point made?

    Such binary thinking from greenies.

    I often like the last post in a thread to bookmark where I've read as far in a thread.

    But hey, whatever. Climate change "denier" is such an infantile term. I don't ever recall anyone saying that the climate doesn't/has never changed.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some figures on the huge growth of EV's car sales and the ongoing demise of petrol/diesel car sales.

    Personally I'm targeting early 2024 when EV's sales overtake the fossil fuel alternatives. Its rapidly looking like the 2030 ban on new ICE car sales won't even need to be enforced as the market for ICE models looks like its collapsing all by itself

    This is something I put together previously from the SIMI data

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    Diesels are dropping like a rock in terms of market share while the decline of petrol sales are falling at a slower rate

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here's an interesting proposal, basically fossil fuel producers would be required to capture and store an equivalent amount of carbon that their fuels produce. So if CircleK sell 1 million liters of petrol and that results in 100,000 tonnes of carbon (obviously makey-upey figures), then they would be required to capture and store that amount of carbon. Hopefully this comes to pass as it would go a long way towards addressing our insane carbon levels




  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I hope nobody is looking to book a ski holiday any time soon

    This is going to be a massive problem come the summer as snow melt won't be feeding into Europes rivers. Expect more reports during the summer of droughts, fields drying up for lack of irrigation, nuclear & hydro plants shutting down, internal shipping stopping due to low water levels etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Screenshot 2023-01-12 at 15-36-48 Despite Protests a German Coal Mine Expands.png

    Meanwhile in the very same Germany they are razing villages to strip mine coal, are back exploring for oil and gas and are leasing and building LNG terminal due to a failed energy strategy where hand in hand, (more hand in pocket for some of their politicians) with Putin they used their influence in the E.U attempting to force others in the E.U. to follow their love-in with Putin on gas.

    Even Great Thunberg, that former doyenne of greens, thinks they are as crazy as a box of frog still insisting on shutting down the few nuclear plants they have left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Sure they can just book a ski holiday to eastern USA that has had massive amounts of snowfall.

    One area of the planet warms the other gets cold…….sort of like a see-saw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,727 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    They'll be able to convert them to wind farms now. A win-win surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Lol buddy, climate change denier? Climate was always changing and will be changing no matter what. I already linked what actual scientists said about climate change cult you seems to be proud member of. Cmon it is only about 14 pages.

    Read it and weep.

    Abstract

    The emphasis on a false climate crisis is becoming a tragedy for modern civilization, which depends on relible, economic, and environmentally viable energy. The windmills, solar panels and backup batteries have none if these qualities. This falsehood is pushed by a powerful lobby which Bjorn Lomborg has called a climate industrial complex, comprising some scientists, most media, industrialists, and legislators. It has somehow managed to convince many that CO2 in the atmosphere, a gas necessary for life on earth, one which we exhale with every breath, is an environmental poison. Multiple scientific theories and measurements show that there is no climate crisis. Radiation forcing calculations by both skeptics and believers show that the carbon dioxide radiation forcicng is about 0.3% of the incident radiation, far less than other effects on climate. Over the period of human civilization, the temperature has oscillated between quite a few warm and cold periods, with many of the warm periods being warmer than today. During geological times, it and the carbon dioxide level have been all over the place with no correlation between them.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    Not a wager you'd win based on German renewables since Christmas.



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    Exporting a lot of power too. I've removed the Nordic's as they have lots of wind and hydro.


    This is our future. And we can do proportionality way more offshore wind than they can. Actually given our much lower population density we should have lots more onshore wind than they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    At least he got some thanks, most just ignore your shyte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Wow serious amount of debt being taken on by people to get these expensive EVs.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More on the new EV bus fleet coming to Athlone

    I'll be taking a spin on 20th Jan when they launch



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wasn't someone going on about nuclear in Finland a while back. You'd have to wonder why they are installing so much wind

    In 2022, Finland put 427 new wind turbines into operation, adding 2,430 megawatts of capacity. One megawatt could power an estimated 1,000 homes, meaning the new turbines could service over 2.4 million households.

    The country now has a total of 1,393 wind turbines producing a combined power of 5,677 MW - potentially enough to power an estimated 5.5 million homes in a country with a population of 5.5 million.

    Wind power capacity is expected to increase by around 1,000 MW annually over the next few years. By 2025, wind is expected to cover at least 28 per cent of Finland’s electricity consumption, up from almost 10 per cent in 2021.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Are we to take from this that the best course of action is to do the opposite of what the greens propose, we all know how wrong Gormley and Co. got it in 2008.😀 Cue Eamo's successor's and their lackeys telling us in 2029 that electric cars are wrong,they are destroying the planet, poisoning our kids,we have to change.😀



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have no objection to you ditching the car, I did, saved a feckin fortune



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Sure most green voters are well to do guilt ridden urbanites with more money than sense,its the middle earners who are going to be F$%^$ again by the greens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    how are middle earners going to be f**ked by the greens? i thought they targeted the old and poor who were freezing to death because of carbon taxes. they target middle earners like me too? only the very rich are safe from them?



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