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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    A lack of people in the country can also contribute to a housing crisis. There are LOTS of reasons why this has happened not just one.


    We cant get construction workers back ..guess why? They can't afford to live here! 😐️


    There is such an imbalance between the cost of building some normal apartments than the income and borrowing ability of most first time buyers that in reality most houses are not and CANNOT be built with the end goal of being available to first time buyers.


    We may have smaller populations per sq meter but the truth is we have stronger demographics. We have a bigger YOUNGER population and people are still having more kids than they would in lets say Sweden or Norway etc.


    When you can't even house construction workers and their families to be able to BUILD the houses you know you have messed up!


    Then more recently BREXIT caused a lot of supply chain delays in the building industry and A LOT MORE COST. And even if we switch up our supply chains to the continent it will still cost more to ship.


    There has been an 18-25 % rise in construction costs recently. It's huge issue. We need cheaper and more efficient supply chains.


    The govt never tried to keep construction workers here after the industry was decimated in 2008 builders were told to go do degrees in IT etc or immigrate. So they did. And they haven't come back. Most who are training now also want to leave. So the labour costs have risen. Also people tend to think of workers as bots that show up at 9 in the morning and only exist for the hours they work. But they also need housing.


    We have an issue were the costs of a lot of housing makes them unavailable to first time buyers. The govt needs to find ways around this. Cheaper supply chains don't seem to be mentioned as a plan not sure why.


    Planning permission and corruption. Its FAR too easy to object to planning these days. You get two diff authorities suing each other. And notorious corruption.


    Short term lets are much more profitable ...you can earn in ten days what you can in one month with AIR B nB etc etc. There is not much point in using a hotel because they are still more expensive usually that the AIR BnBs.


    I'm not sure why but the govt has been very strict with spending and most authorities and the national budget has a surplus. A huge one. They will SAY this is because they are being prudent. But it's more than that. The truth is the civil service doesn't even have the capacity right now to spend it. Yes some needs to be put by sure but 5 billion is a bit much. They say its all from the multi nationals and they are worried it won't always be there but they have always known that about multi nationals.


    While yes there is a shortage of houses there are still more houses than people think but they are not being used in the way the public and in partic first time buyers need.


    Rather than the post boiling over Irish people immigrate. And so things never change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    I agree just like people and media who imply they are all vulnerable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Ill probably get abuse for this, but the opening of Croke Park for EID on a more seemingly annual basis, and the wall to wall positive portrayal, annoys me to no end. This isn't people adapting, it's a country bending over backwards

    It's a back wards sexist horrible religion I want nothing to do with.(Without impinging on religious freedom)

    And yes many of these could also be put to Catholicism, but we talk about those problems, and criticise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭slay55


    When will the more affluent areas of Dublin be helping and providing residential facilities for these lot ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The problem with the Celtic tiger property boom and subsequent crash was the construction workers were basically building houses for themselves, that’s where the situation ended up until it became unsustainable.

    We had huge numbers of foreign construction workers just coming getting mortgages at a whim and non stop building.

    When things went bust they lost their jobs and couldn’t pay back the loans.


    More construction workers led to a crazy building boom which spiralled out of control with mad borrowing and lending.

    That’s why it’s so much harder to get a mortgage now, we are still scarred from the recession.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Have a look at Sweden, is the lack of integration due to racist white people or maybe the fact that there are certain cultures that have no desire to integrate beyond working arrangements/some minor social interactions and have no interest in the fantasy 'everybody becomes western liberals' multicultural dream.

    Nah, as with everything is the racist white right wing fascists that are at fault for the lack of integration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You dont really care though about the women and LGBT asylum seekers and refugees so your concern is completely insincere

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    That has got to be the most misinformed post I have ever read on here and I have read a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Travelodge in Ballymun had been providing emergency accommodation for 5 years now. What changed to spark the protests? The ignorant protests I might add.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,336 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Protests are only going to get bigger as more people realise what is going on.

    These are young males being thrown into unsuitable accommodation, no job prospects and barely any English.

    Then you factor in they are from countries with backwards thoughts towards women.

    Then you factor in the crime levels they have in other countries and especially sexual assaults towards women.

    Then you factor in they are turning up with no documentation which makes it highly likely they are hiding something and more likely a criminal.

    We have seen what has happened in other countries and should be able to be proactive.

    But we will wait until innocent people are harmed before anyone starts talking about the subject.

    A right wing irish party is a certainty and the people voting for them will want an end to this madness they are not lunatics.

    We are dumping groups of men with backward views towards women into towns.

    I can totally understand why any normal Joe soap would want to protest against it.

    What I can't understand is the people who are defending this policy, I would like to know why they are in favor of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭high_tower


    Ah yea we got there in the end. You know f all about either county who’s citizens are flooding in.

    and yes a counties culture does have a massive impact on those who grew up there’s attitudes. These won’t be educated class moving over here with a brain where they can think for themselves either.

    no more need for further discussion with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    Here is the thing people in Morocco speak 4 languages usually at least french spanish standardarabic darija and amazigh...they also learn english in school.


    The idea that Algeria / Morocco etc are homogenous countries is a false one. They have berbers arabs Sahrawis and Europeans left from colonialism mostly of spanish parentage etc


    Same with Nigeria Nigeria has like 400 hundred languages. There are like ..300 ethnic groups in nigeria. Yoruba igbo etc ! so many more.


    Half of Nigeria is christian and half is muslim roughly.


    These people are ALREADY multicultural.


    But they are living generally under repressive govts. You know like the putin chap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Algeria and Somalia aren't the same as Morocco though - Morocco has been a centre of trade for centuries. I was just stating that sometimes it not always the far right bogeyman at fault for the lack of integration. If you want to blame the host county, blame the terrible government policies of dumping hundreds of males into areas with nothing to do as this is clearly more of an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Algeria is even more diverse. I know I dated a guy from there. They usually speak 3 languages Berber Arabic and french (they learn english too) and they have 18 diff ethnicities. Also i would say the people are more liberal than morocco.


    Again somalia many languages three main Beja, Oromo, and Somali...4 ethnicities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    That one person who liked this. You hurted my feelings! 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I remember going to New Zealand a few years ago to visit family. The immigration police in the airport were something else, it was scary, you got the feeling you could be turned back on the next plane. I had everything in order, Irish passport, visas, proof of family address in NZ etc, return flights booked and proof of them....... and they still asked "Mam what date are you leaving New Zealand?" out loud in front of everyone (mind you all non-citizens were being asked the same). You were a short term visitor to their shores and that was that!!

    Its a different world to what is happening here in Ireland. What are we at? As people are saying, these arrivals to Ireland are NOT doctors, architects, scientists , they are not even builders or tech workers, they are all going to be on welfare supports and joining queues for housing for the next decade. Its utterly insane. I was delighted to see the result of the Poll on The Tonight Show, I think reality is really hitting now and it cannot be hidden under "right wing fascists" tags for much longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    ...and none of them are remotely close to our culture.

    All have more backwards views to personal freedom, religious and non religious expression and women.



    Half of them probably believe you should be executed for blaspheming the prophet or declaring yourself non Muslim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It was an admiration of honesty like.

    I bet you have a huge IQ though...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,336 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I would imagine the poster like anyone else here has a relationship be it intimate or family who are women.

    So I assume that poster does care about women, I assume everyone posting here cares about women.

    You have a lot of cheek telling someone they don't care about women when you have no idea about the person.

    It is just more deflection when you can't engage honestly in a discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Its always people who never gave a crap about womens or lgbt rights suddenly ranting about them

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ok so tell me how the property bubble happened?


    When it all went bust we had 100,000s of construction workers unable to work and pay their mortgage.


    Thats one of many reasons.


    It was all fuelled by excessive building, borrowing, lending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I mean, claiming to care about women but having no issue with gangs of men covering their faces while screaming "get them out" at women and children seems slightly hypocritical to me......

    Did you forget a descriptor before women? perhaps "white"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    massive and sweeping generalisations are very poor arguments!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Algeria definitely no. Most are not really even that observant. The GOVT however uses religion to oppress people.


    I mean have you heard of the Arab spring? The protests in Iran? Its the same.


    You can't insult government agents in Algeria it's a crime. You can't offend the president. You can't offend islam. But the only reason you have these rules is to keep the govt in power. It's not really to do with Islam.


    Morocco is insane. They have a king. An actual SULTAN. I've been there its one of the most repressive places I have ever been. The govt and police are crooked. You can do ANYTHING If you have money to get out of it. And if you have no money you will prob end up in prison at some time just because you didnt give someone a gift. As regards islam i would say they are slightly more observant than Algerians. But very commercial and entrepreneurial. Very pragmatic.


    IMO neither of these countries are homes to extremists.


    The GOVTS however YES. Extremist in the extreme! Partic in morocco. They have internally displaced a lot of sub saharans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I talk to a very broad selection of people on a daily basis as part of my job.

    There’s HUGE anger and resentment out there at the moment over how society is going.

    It has been simmering for a good few years but people are absolutely sick to the teeth of what’s going on in terms of lack of housing and services and a sense that “chancers” are abusing the Irish generosity.

    I’m not one bit surprised that the protests are escalating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    How many construction workers do you think we had at the time???? Enough to crash an economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Which totally makes sense if you have BEEN there.


    I can't quite explain it.


    But walking around morocco ...i felt opressed. I when i went inside ..it was better. I dont want men to feel like that.


    I dont want young men to grow up in a country where they can be thrown in jail just because they have no money to pay someone off.


    I think it's because gay people KNOW what it's like to feel that way ...oppressed ...that they can empathize with that horrible feeling.


    Ok you are going to call me mad. But I think gay people and women ..have this internal genetic instinct to just 'know' ye know? Like i can sense the patriarchy .....dictator etc ...like i sense it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Another thing that is happening - all the main stream parties (FF FG SF Lab Soc Dems) are circling the wagons and outdoing themselves in fake outrage.



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