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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    So what criteria should be met before you get a blanket on the floor of a gym and a bowl of Aramark soup?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The protests may be being orchestrated by right wing elements but brushing them aside seems to be a forlorn hope that there is not genuine concern building out there. The stats last year are alarming particularly in a housing crisis.

    We seem to be in extend and pretend territory with politicians.

    But the numbers don't add up. 68,000 Ukrainians alone. How many new houses?

    That's the calculation people up and down this country are now making. They can see we are in serious trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Of course adding more people won't help in a housing crisis. But yiz may as well be screeching GET BACK IN THERE to newborns for all the good it will do.

    Successive terrible governments are to blame for this, but if you want another cohort that's far more problematic than bloody asylum seekers, then point your ire at short term rental landlords. Airbnb tossers.

    But no, you lot would rather focus on vulnerable people. Why?

    Well we all know why. It's plain as day and bloody shameful.

    Any of you condoning what's been going on in the like of ballymun are just as racist as the gobshites terrorizing children.





  • The housing minister is disturbed by protests in Ballymun

    The Health minister is blaming consultants not working weekends in hospitals for the trolley crisis.

    For people with the mandate to ease tensions in these situations and manage the issues long back, **** me they are some shower of hands off deflectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Leo definitely isn't an idiot. Self-serving, superficial and populist, but not an idiot.

    He's doing exactly what he's been told by his EU "betters" and he's following stated FG policy to increase the population of this country by a million - most of which will be through immigration as we know that certainly the average worker can't afford it what with childcare costs, school place waiting lists, costs and lack of bigger/suitable accommodation etc.

    This way though he gets to do both and look good to those who can't/refuse to see beyond the "poor vulnerable" narrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    There is a lot of stupidity amongst the far right lads who are always at these things and trying to egg things on. If they had more experience like many of the high profile UK ones, the last thing they would be trying to get going would be those kinds of protests targeting the asylum seekers. It's just never going to be something the public gets behind at large. It's far beyond the point where ordinary decent people would consider those guys as an option and votes will show that as they have been doing. There is a need for a fresh young far right type with the smarts to pull it off but so far Ireland just hasn't been able to come close to getting someone like that at the forefront. You'd almost think the current crop are "controlled opposition" as they really do serve that purpose, seemingly inadvertently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    There's a laundry list of EU departments, agencies, funds, think-tanks, etc. that will reward Leo etc. for pursuing this top-down external agenda. Seeing as this is about Ukraine there's the same again and even more from UN side. 

    The state (you and me) will pay for this mess while the politicians move on. These days the primary skill of our politicians is keeping a straight face while doing the EXACT opposite of what the citizens want. In the same way we have "modern Ireland", we also now have a "new democracy" ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    How else to grow your money in this country but by property. They tax the fck out of investments. So the money moves to property and we get a load of empty houses and renters.

    Which leaves a lot of people just sitting on piled up cash in their accounts. And working just for a bigger and bigger number on a screen. Not quite enough for a home, yet too much to waste on trivial luxuries.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Do you think our current immigration laws are working effectively?

    If not, what would you change?

    If so, how many do you think we can accommodate a year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yep, according to this narrative from the usual suspects, immigrants and the Irish public themselves (!) are to blame for the current housing crisis, not the government or the housing authorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Actually many many many on here blame the government for immigration policy over those migrating here in search of a better life.

    I do not agree with the manner of the protests, I think our non existent immigration laws need reform. Those protesting are not an answer, but they are the only ones in the political sphere even mentioning potential negatives of this madness.

    60 percent of asulym seekers here are economic migrants, and refused asulym.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I'm not some bleeding heart that thinks we should simply have an open door policy.

    Given the housing disaster I think non -eu immigration should be curtailed for a number of years, though there'll be significant downside to that too.

    I don't think we should remove our name from the Geneva convention. We should always, always be a haven for refugees and asylum seekers, given our history. That said, I think our commitment to take in so many Ukrainians is bizarre and unfair on both them and us.

    I just don't think we should be screaming at vulnerable people in search of safety to go home. Not only is it intolerably cruel, it won't actually work.

    All that's been achieved is to make them feel unwelcome, lonely and scared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    And honestly I agree with almost all of that.

    The only bit I would quibble about is the vulnerable people. We refuse 60 percent, 60 percent are not deemed vulnerable enough. I am not a vulnerable person if I decide to move to the US without a VISA. These actual impact our ability to help genuine cases, and provide more temporary asulym.

    These protests are what happens when only one side of the debate is given a voice in the media. As a country we're almost lucky these lads and ladies are utterly unelectable. But the next ones likely won't.

    These needs to be discussed without the fear of being called racist, until that happens, and we continue to allow unchecked, undocumented migration into the country we will only see this grow.

    There are many many legitimate concerns about our immigration policy that needs discussing in the open, and need action taken. Unfortunately we're more a spend money and kick it down the road nation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,238 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The fault lies with O Gorman opening his gob and promising every Tom Dick and Harry a free house 4 months after showing up here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Ireland is about three decades behind the UK on this issue

    the people in charge in this country witnessed what happened with the neighbours across the sea and they still gave the green light

    there will be a polished “far right” candidates or party in the future but it will all be too late at that stage

    and there never should have been a need for them in the first place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Apparently what goes on Twitter stays on Irish Twitter, it doesn’t get tweeted and retweeted and relayed around the globe. Pinned and stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I haven't called anyone with immigration concerns a racist. I share some of the concerns myself.

    I have lots of sympathy with economic migrants looking for a better life, be they from Georgia or elsewhere, but agree they can't be granted asylum.

    That said, we have upwards of 50,000 people working in the US illegally so perhaps we shouldn't be so uptight about it. If all countries were to clamp down on it we'd be in an even worse situation.

    One obvious thing we can do is increase the speed for processing asylum applications. It's insanely slow at the moment.

    Another is ending or halting Airbnb letting. That would not be a panacea, but would improve things dramatically in the short term.

    I think literally everyone here knows that screaming at asylum seekers in their accommodation will not improve our situation at all. Those that do the screeching and those that condone it, are simply doing it for their own kicks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,238 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    In other countries like Denmark and the UK their Government is at least trying to do something, here we have this jackass encouraging even more to come every time he opens his mouth.

    FFS they are putting them in Croke Park because there is no space and we are only in January, whats it going to be like at the end of the year yet our idiot Government says it will all be grand.

    Another thing people seem to forget is everyone who arrives has access to the health service free of charge but Paddy can go fook himself and pay for it out of his own pocket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭high_tower


    Are you thick. They’re not women and children and they’re not refugees being bussed in there !!

    theyre chancers from North Africa and the Middle East after an easy ride in the west. Do some research on this and then come back to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's hard enough for the far right to gain any headway but to do so requires a very high intellect, good planning, leadership and a high level of deceptiveness. You need to say and present yourself in certain ways, while having different intentions. You can see how slippery someone like Nigel Farage is. No thuggery of any kind. He's still extremely lacking in the empathy department and could have done much more but still operating at a high level. If you watch interviews with the tories you just see a completely polished performance. The Irish far right scene is an absolute calamity by comparison. lol. There is absolutely zero and I mean zero chance of the far right in Ireland gaining any headway whatsoever at elections. Too much damage has been done by them and will continue to be done by them. All they do at this point with their shenanigans is ensure that they won't get anywhere. It's great to see as someone who despises their entire brand of politics and their philosophies. THANK GOD there is no young slick lad or if they were smarter, lass, on the come up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I'm not thick, no.

    There's video and photographic evidence of women and children inside the Travelodge, being screamed at by geniuses like you.

    Carry on though, you're certain to improve the situation by making them feel scared.

    As for the "chancers" from Africa and the middle east, many are seeing inflation rates that are many multiples of what we're going through. Unemployment is through the roof.

    When the **** hits the fan here in Ireland, many here do pretty much the exact same thing as them. We have over 50,000 chancers living illegally in the USA right now. So maybe you should just do a little research yourself for a change, and stop insulting everyone.

    It comes off as deeply racist, but I expect you know that and don't care



  • Posts: 390 [Deleted User]


    The airbnb stuff bugs me so much, people seem to claim it has no effect on the property market but that its also fundamental to the tourism trade, it can't be both.

    Long term putting airbnbs back in the rental market won't make a huge amount of difference but the ability to put what otherwise would be a rental on the market as an airbnb effects the rental cost offered to customers. The reason that the whole country isn't an RPZ is because in a lot of places there is no stock for someone to be able to say that the rental prices have dramatically increased and therefore it should be an RPZ and the reason that there are no rental houses is because a lot of them rurally have gone airbnb.

    Its all tied together, they can't currently stop airbnbs (even if they wanted to) because they've filled all the hotels. The legislation is already there to stop full time airbnbs, if it was actually enforced where are you putting all the people who've booked for St. Patricks or even for summer? There aren't any low and there are very few mid price hotels that aren't housing Ukranians/IP applicants

    The legislation that is supposed to be debated this quarter in the Dail about the registration thing for airbnbs will give them 6 months of grace, which I'm of 2 minds about, tourists shouldn't be punished for our lack of tackling this sooner but also you're rewarding people who are just thumbing the nose at the law. If we have a property crisis and every house counts towards fixing it then they wouldn't be dragging their heels and giving into airbnb lobbying at every turn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    They of course don't have the means to pay for healthcare when they arrive, as they have no income.

    I suppose we could just let them die?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,238 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    No we should be selective on who we let in.

    They seem to have enough money to pass through numerous other countries to get here but we all know the reason for that, the soft mark country were its easy to play the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Yeah you're right, there's significant downside to shutting down Airbnb too.

    I'd probably do it anyway though. They're extortionately expensive and out of reach for most tourists. Including ourselves.

    I'd probably shut them down or tax the bejaysus out of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    So we only let in asylum seekers who can afford to pay for their own health care?

    That would reduce the numbers dramatically in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Research = far right Twitter.


    So explain this easy ride to me? Is it the bed in a 12 man dorm room or the 38 quid a week that has them coming here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭high_tower


    Must have been women and children from Ukraine stabbing each other in Killarney too ??

    im racist now am I ?? Have you read up on the results of immigration from those areas in the last 10 years on Sweden and Germany ??. Go ask people from those counties if they’d do what Ireland are doing. I bet they wish they had a time machine

    the Irish men coming back wouldn’t be from a totally alien culture with dark ages attitudes to women. It’s hardly like for like.

    you’re part of the problem - why people can’t talk openly without being branded racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,238 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well for a start we shouldn't be letting in anyone who can't prove who they are, also nobody from Georgia or Albania should be let in because they are economic migrants.

    And yeah, let them pay for their own health care, they seem to have lots of money to make the journey here.

    Won't happen though, Paddy will continue to foot the bill.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    You're annoyed with me because I've been speaking out against people screaming at vulnerable people.

    I'm pretty sure I know what you are. I could be wrong of course, but every post you make reeks of prejudice and racism. Including the one I've just quoted.

    Maybe you're just misunderstood?



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