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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You gotta find a Twitter server and attempt to join it too. What's the difference? I saw some good people talking about using Mastadon.ie, so I went to Mastadon.ie and registered. Are people deliberately trying to overcomplicate this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,073 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Unsurprising. Twitter and "tweets" works perfectly for the type of medium that it is, amazed that no one has come up with a decent competitor along those lines. Nope, only something that sounds like a dominatrix porn site.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Easy tiger. I'm pointing out that the numbers have dropped significantly since the surge around number so clearly something hasn't taken with Mastadon. It's not a like for like clone of Twitter, what with its "instances" and I've certainly seen tell of folk bailing because it's a more manual entry. That or the simple absence of many brands, celebrities and outlets making it an emptier place.

    Either way, the numbers don't lie. Mastadon is failing to capitalise on the malaise and bad press against twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    Elon is a troll. The quantity of people taking the bate is concerning.



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    Considering that Mastodon isn’t really a commercial entity, it’s not bothered either way. It’s just there.

    The “it’s too complicated” narrative is mostly just lazy commentary. How is it’s complicated? Go to Mastodon.ie for example and it’s no more complicated than setting up a Twitter account or a boards account.

    It can’t magic your decades old Twitter account to be replicated on a different platform. You can use 3rd party tools to find old Twitter contacts that might be there too, but you are creating an account on a new platform. It isn’t Twitter and it’s not like porting your mobile phone from Vodafone to Eir. It’s like moving from Boards to Reddit.

    You’re also always going to get a surge effect and people dropping off. The general experience though is that the volumes on Mastodon have grown and activity is way up.

    It also ignores things like people drifting from Twitter to other established platforms where they already were active. I’m finding myself using Reddit and Boards far more than Twitter or Mastodon. Frankly I’m just fed up with microblogging. The level of hostility on Twitter would give me depression after a while tbh. It is just full of threads that go down spirals of grim and it’s definitely become worse. Mastodon just reminds me of old Twitter in vibe when it was still fairly friendly.

    I gave up on Twitter completely after very weird interactions just before Christmas - it l isn’t worth the hassle to me. I used to enjoy it, had good interactions and a nice timeline of interesting people, and would have defended it when people said it’s a cesspool, but over the last few months unfortunately I stumbled the cesspool by chiming in on a few threads where I seem to have attracted a swarm of various weirdos, who have the posting style of someone standing on street corners looking for a fight by abusing passers by.

    I honestly just don’t have the energy for it anymore. So I just left.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Part of the reason Mastadon didn't really take off was because Twitter was place that pretty much has everyone in one centralised place, whereas some people started moving to Mastadon, but some were moving to other places. So many different options were being put forward, but also Twitter was still going, so nowhere became a legitimate Twitter replacement/competitor. People were setting up accounts on places like Mastadon more as a backup in case Twitter suddenly collapsed, but it didn't.



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    Considering that Twitter isn’t paying its rent in SF, that day could still come. Musk’s going to get bored at some point and he appears to be keeping the lights on though personal bankrolling. That’s only going to go on for so long - it’s a very expensive hobby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,797 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Does Mastodon also restrict the length of posts to not much longer than SMS?



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    500 characters. It’s significantly longer form than Twitter and you can edit posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,797 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Honestly, that's my biggest gripe with Twitter and why I never joined. The character limit just turns everything into a shouting match with no substance. Any half-baked idea has to be set out in multiple numbered posts, and that's not for me.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yup. This was me. I also left because of the posts in my timeline that were shared automatically because someone I follow, followed them (iykwim) and they were all generally very antagonistic and wound me up. I like being able to tailor my timeline, and I love not having ads. I donate a fiber a month to the mastodon.ie server and it's money well spent imo.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Mastadon isn’t capitalising because Mastadon isn’t capitalist. It’s not a commercial entity. It’s not selling it’s users life history for advertising.

    Its absolutely not a clone of Twitter. It’s waaaaaaay better than that. It’s early days for sure, and hasn’t gotten into the public zeitgeist, but it’s well underway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They are not capitalist until they hit success and the acquisition or investment offers are on the table.

    Virtually all successful open source projects went this way, and the ones which didn't don't exist anymore, they were either closed or forked into other projects who did. Nothing is free forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not trying to speak for Pixelburp here, but what I think he meant by "capitalise" was an effort by Mastadon to take advantage of the opportunity afforded to it by Muck's dreadful handling of the good ship twitter and grow its own user base, rather than an effort to make money.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I pay for Mastodon, as do many others. Don't forget it cannot be acquired, it's not a normal centralised site.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why should they? I don't mean that in antagonistic way, but what's the plus for Mastodon to attract users which would negatively affect everyone as there's a limit to what the servers can handle. They're not selling ad space or user info, it relies on the userbase to pay for servers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Correct Tony. I meant capitalise strategically: you couldn't move for the think pieces talking up Mastadon in the white hear of the Musk era's chaos.

    We'll see how it does in the long term but that kind of user drop doesn't spell immediate success. It hasn't held the user's it gained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It absolutely can be taken over, don't be naive. Just look at any other successful projects including kernel.org, they were either aquired or effectively controlled by corporations who either hire key developers or take control of what components they need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There’s nothing to acquire or invest in. It isn’t a commercial entity.

    Mastadon isn’t looking to grow. It’s not a commercial entity. We need to get past the blind chasing of growth for growth’s sake.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But, again, what's the end game in your eyes? It's not a capitalist enterprise, so what's the benefit in chasing new members?

    While you say they haven't kept the new user numbers, I highly doubt it's dropped down to pre musk usage. It's growth, but stable growth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hey, I don't give a damn whether they should or shouldn't. I'm neither on Twitter or Mastadon. I don't find either platform conducive to anything approaching a meaningful or insightful discussion. I was merely trying to clarify what Pixelburp meant by "capitalise".

    @AndrewJRenko

    Mastadon isn’t looking to grow. It’s not a commercial entity. We need to get past the blind chasing of growth for growth’s sake.

    See above...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The end game is "I don't care". I thought it was curious that a couple of months after the explosion of Mastadon hype, the user-base shrunk again (didn't I read it's actually dropping now? Must go back and read it again).

    Whether the comparison is apt or not the already mentioned Zeitgeist chose to put Mastadon's service against Twitter as an alternative flavour of social media in light of Musk's takeover. It'll be that same bubble that decides if Mastadon ramps up or not by dint of popularity. If it becomes more than a technical niche cool, if it doesn't, cool.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's basically impossible.

    "Because of the decentralized nature of Mastodon, it is highly unlikely that it would ever be bought out. Unlike Twitter, which is owned by a single company, Mastodon is run and maintained by its users. This means that if any entity wanted to acquire Mastodon, it would have to acquire each server individually— an impossibility"

    https://www.makeuseof.com/who-owns-mastodon/#:~:text=Unlike%20Twitter%2C%20which%20is%20owned%20by%20a%20single%20company%2C%20Mastodon,each%20server%20individually%E2%80%94%20an%20impossibility.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair enough, it wasn't coming across as you "not caring".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Impossible like no one actually owns linux kernel, but it's as capitalistic and corporatist as it can possibly be. Do tell me more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,797 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Don't companies set up their own Mastodon servers? Isn't Truth Social a ripped version of Mastodon code?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭Cordell


    This is the wrong analogy, a more appropriate yet still inaccurate one is that Mastodon is to microblogging what Gmail and Hotmail are to email.

    It is a free open source platform with free and private servers and private for profit forks like Trump's thing. If, or when, the free public severs will consolidate into anything relevant they will raise interest from both users and capitalists and at that point the funding will stop being sustainable as an independent non commercial service.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well TBH as with Twitter itself, the market will decide if Mastadon has value. I'm not sure the market will choose decentralised fussiness over the convenience of a single app of entry, but as the brief Flavour of the Month it has been curious how Mastadon hasn't held onto that explosion in users. The decline much steeper than I'd have expected.



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  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    Mastodon will be there whether or not the market decides it has value or not. If you take Mastodon.ie it had only about 500+ users in late October and has over 10,000 active users now.

    Basically from Mastodon's point of view it's not a commercial entity really - it's just a set of protocols and software.

    I would see the likelihood being that you'll see better apps and consolidation onto the well run instances only.



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