General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

wanderer100 · 01-01-2023 03:09PM

Dreadful from Lloris

McDermotX · 01-01-2023 03:32PM

Nobody does a Spurs like Spurs

Mr.Crinklewood · 01-01-2023 03:32PM

2-2 incoming?

Drumpot · 01-01-2023 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120052692#Comment_120052692

Or a conte meltdown?

01-01-2023 03:38PM

Player gets shot away,then gets fouled, no free kick, standard but stupid

McGrath5 · 01-01-2023 03:46PM

Spurs are so toothless up front, easy enough lead this for Villa.

McDermotX · 01-01-2023 03:47PM

Conte just lubricating the throat there for some serious shouting in a few mins

ShamoBuc · 01-01-2023 03:56PM

Awful by Spurs. Failed to get a shot on target in the second half I think. Villa thoroughly deserving of their win.

earthwormjack · 01-01-2023 03:59PM

Good win for Villa. Conte has no interest being at Spurs.

Still surprises me Kane and Son stuck around and wasted their best years.

doc_17 · 01-01-2023 04:07PM

Conte is full of beans when Spurs are winning, telling players to go here, there and everywhere. When they are struggling and really need the guidance, he seems to not have anything to say at all.

On Haaland and City…..I didn’t see the game yesterday but I’d imagine it went along the lines of City Brentford? In that game City played into Brentford’s hands, KDB kept trying to cross/pass to Haaland and it didn’t work. City had no other ideas that day.

01-01-2023 04:46PM

City have 2 less points then they did after 16 games last season essentially a win in yesterday's game and they would be on the exact same points. They have a better a goal difference this year also.

Arsenal being so out of this world in the first 16 games is the real difference and not the haaland Factor.

KH25 · 01-01-2023 04:52PM

That’s a mad goal for Chelsea. Henderson and the defender both just standing there watching the ball.

Drumpot · 01-01-2023 05:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120052921#Comment_120052921

United are only 4 points behind city with nearly half the season gone , I’d say that’s the most damning statistic to date, particularly if you factor in our first two league game defeats that were all about squeezing Ronaldo into the starting team, otherwise United could well be ahead of them … 😂

01-01-2023 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053021#Comment_120053021

Damming to who? I'm sorry I don't really get what you mean.

Outside of when two teams play each other, how one is performing doesn't really show anything about how another is.

Let's say we make arsenal disappear, would you still be saying the same about city of they were 1 in a 19 team league.

I find people put far too much weight behind league position and not performance, it was the same when ole was at united the underlying numbers were bad performances were bad and we got lucky a lot the crash was always coming which made his last contract extension so ridiculous.

citytillidie · 01-01-2023 06:37PM

Game week 18 table

breezy1985 · 01-01-2023 06:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053116#Comment_120053116

Well City's position is barely above a number of teams who are not playing well or have had serious bad patches this season which would suggest City are not doing too good despite relative points compared to last year.

01-01-2023 07:18PM

I feel very sorry for Jimmy he talks an awful lot of sense and is having to debate with souness and Jamie redKnapp.. he should have a place on the main panel

01-01-2023 07:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053338#Comment_120053338

Why would it suggest that. Like why is that the conclusion to make.

They are ahead and there is also only so many points you can be ahead after 16 games.

If the continue there ppgs I'm sure they will much further ahead by seasons end.

Again city are playing at some level, great good average somewhere along that spectrum. But how to judge that is off how they play not how other teams are positioned in the league around them.

Why are those teams that are playing so bad in a fair points position. Could they be doing better then they should?

It's just imo a poor way to judge anything really, especially when less then half the season has been played.

breezy1985 · 01-01-2023 07:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053454#Comment_120053454

Grand so I'll make it simple City are not playing well. They are playing well enough to be ahead of some other teams who are also not doing great.

They are losing points in games they should not be losing in under any metric.

Dress it up all you want but no cCity should be happy they dropped points when they did.

noodler · 01-01-2023 08:05PM

If city really are just two points off where they were this time last year then it's pretty clear it's more down to arsenal being amazing.

01-01-2023 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053550#Comment_120053550

I never said they should be happy? I haven't even given an opinion on how city are playing. I'm not trying to dress anything up. Odd that's what you take from what I'm saying

City should probably never drop points in any metric but if we just accept that be pretty boring conversations around here.

What you said at the start is just the same thing again phrased slightly differently and is a very convoluted way of judging how a team is performing and open to an insane amount of variables.

Surely easier just to look at the games to make a judgement on how a team is playing

breezy1985 · 01-01-2023 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053588#Comment_120053588

Grand so. Looking at them they are not playing well because they are failing to finish off chances, make effective use of their huge possession and passing stats, xg stats etc.

I look at them and think they should do better.

Drumpot · 01-01-2023 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053116#Comment_120053116

Chill out Mick I was half joking that them being anywhere near United, who are usually sh*te, was a bad sign.

That said, I don’t get your defence of them. They got arguably the most sought after striker in the world , arsenal or no arsenal form, you’d expect them to improve on last season, not regress in anyway.

Maybe they will get stronger but they’ve not been overly impressive in comparison to some of the ridiculous levels they’ve shown in the past. They are on course to get 85 points based on their current average, that’s poor for them most seasons.

They seem to either blow teams away or struggle a bit. That may be fine for league but it doesn’t bode well for the CL which is where the manager who has had the greatest resources to achieve that goal will be judged.

I’d say they are well under performing this season in pretty much most barometers from last season.

01-01-2023 10:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120054001#Comment_120054001

Chill out? Dude I'm bed sick literally just trying to shoot some **** I wasn't in anyway meaning to be confrontational or didn't think I was either.

I'm not really defending city I was more just talking about the merits of looking at a league table and making judgments about how teams are playing off that.

There is only so much they can do as a team no matter how much talent you acquire especially in a league as competitive as the premier league.

On the flip side of the haaland opinion maybe they would be doing way worse this season without him.

They are essentially one goal in any of the drawn games away from being where they were at this stage last year but even 2 points off is nothing in the grand scheme of varience, and they still finished with 93 last season.

I don't watch many city full games as they bore the life out of me usually but from what I have seen they don't look much different, still just a juggernaut except with a haaland up top now.

Drumpot · 01-01-2023 10:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120054078#Comment_120054078

I don’t watch them either but their averages are down. The league being strong is no defence, how is it any different from other seasons except There’s no serious challange from United, spurs , Liverpool or Chelsea who are all struggling for different reasons.

City have been the benchmark , I don’t see arsenal being anything more special then they have had to tackle in the past. If anything one could argue the league has been poor, allowing Newcastle and even a United team that lost its first two games to take advantage of the lack of quality around them.

The presumption with Newcastle is that they are some great team now all of a sudden, they are solid and consistent but nothing special. United and pool up for sale. Chelsea look a mess since their new owner used the Ed Woodward transfer muppet playbook.

I really don’t see what excuse city have for having less points then last season.

01-01-2023 11:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120054183#Comment_120054183

But it's two points from last season like that is nothing a lucky bounce of a ball here, great save there.

Again I go back to the point of they were top of the league would you feel the same. Arsenal are doing phenomenal stuff but that doesn't change how city have been.

Where would city need to be to be considered doing on par to last season. How many more points would they need?

I'd would say the premier league gets a bit tougher every year look at the standard of managers on average across the league. Wolves just got in loptegaui and villa emery, guys leaving top teams in Spain to get into relegation battles in the premier league.

And if the quality grows every year for arguments sake how much room is there for city to improve given there past levels.

Sometimes staying where you are means getting better.

Arsenal this year at least have replaced Liverpool as the only challenge to city, but I feel any top 6 managers are capable of getting the better the better of pep in a one off game.

Newcastle what ever way you chop it up at miles ahead of what they were too even if.you don't consider them great.

davemckenna25 · 02-01-2023 02:28PM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12778343/ref-watch-should-man-city-striker-erling-haalands-reckless-challenge-be-a-red-card

See skysports Ref Watch agree that neither DeBruyne or Haaland deserved a red card. Yellow was correct decision.

breezy1985 · 02-01-2023 03:53PM

Rewatch is just referees. When have they ever been trusted to be right. Refs and VAR refs get stuff wrong all the time.

Seriously I find it funny how when it suits a view rewatch is more infallible than the pope.

02-01-2023 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120055939#Comment_120055939

Pulling one foot back quite literally changes it...

wanderer100 · 02-01-2023 05:51PM

1 nil Brentford !!

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