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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The LCOE of nuclear is about the same as the most expensive wind generators and that's in a country that already has a nuclear power industry

    With nuclear you wouldn't get even a watt of usable energy from a plant for at least 20 years with renewables coming on stream gradually allowing us to shut down our dirtiest power generation much earlier

    You are being completely disingenuous by saying the entire wind infrastructure would need to be completely replaced every 30 years

    The Capital costs include purchasing of land, transmission lines, substations, access roads etc. These can be upgraded and maintained as part of the operating costs which are included in the LCOE

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    I thought you were some sort of expert in these matters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The IEA 2022 report on Renewables shows that countries are doubling down on renewables for energy security.

    Screenshot_20221230_203228_Chrome.jpg

    Renewable capacity is set to almost double in the next 5 years.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So you’re not going to give your opinion on ERs dereliction of duty? Nor confirm the separate or joint corridor for the supposed three pipelines?

    Hmmmmm

    Also please point out where I stated I was an expert on these matters- whatever that means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Energy security? Wtf? 😂

    Gas provides the security chief.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    I don’t think you care much about my opinion, whatever it is you think you are up to, nor are you interested in the answers to your facile questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not when the supply is controlled by Russia. If it wasn't for renewables there is no way the European gas reserves would have lasted the winter.

    Every gwh of power generated by wind and Solar is a gwh of thermal that didn't need to be consumed

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Lol! Wow your answers are very similar to another poster when you can’t elaborate on your own answers. Ie when you are pushed to justify your answer you just can’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    If it wasn’t for Norwegian (via uk Moffat pipeline) and Irish gas we wouldn’t have kept the lights on recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    We don't rely on Russia for gas. Your mixing up Ireland with Germany.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    But you didn’t ask me to justify anything? You just asked stupid questions (presumably to further demonstrate your ignorance which really was not necessary at all).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Moffett is part of our long term transition policy, so yeah of course we rely on Moffett. But if the entire European continent had to cope without any renewables, the price of gas would have been much much higher globally (including gas sourced from the Corrib gas Field) and we'd probaby be in a recession along with putting up with severe energy rationing. Putin might have won the war because Europe would been in a much worse position.

    This is the thing with energy. it requires a mix of different types of generation. Renewables, far from, being the bogeyman described by the regulars on this thread, has kept energy prices lower, and has helped to keep the lights on this winter. Having renewables allowed the gas reserves to fill up, it reduced the wholesale prices for gas, which directly affects the cost of electricity.

    We now know that we cannot trust the likes of Russia or OPEC to supply us with gas reliably.) We also know we cannot continue to burn Coal (climate change This is why Europe is moving away from Gas, and towards Renewables, with hydrogen and other forms of storage.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Gas is a globally traded commodity

    If the world didn't generate 28% of it's electricity from renewables, then the price of gas would be significantly higher than it was. In 5 years time, 38% of global electricity will come from renewables, the grip the likes of Russia and OPEC has on the EU is slipping away. (In Europe it will be more than 50% of electrictiy from renewables)

    image.png

    https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2022/executive-summary

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It is about comparable to Nuclear. And Nuclear also requires full backup for the times when, lets say, half of your entire capacity unexpectedly goes offline for 6 months at a time.

    If you're going to compare two things, you need to make a fair comparison. Nuclear needs backup, just like wind and solar and gas and coal etc

    Right now, we're using Gas to back-up renewables. By the time a nuclear power plant would have come on-line, we'll have interconnectors and hydrogen storage for long term backup with BESS for short term backup.

    Your 10s of billiions worth of expensive nuclear power plant would be a massive white elephant.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Stupid questions?

    I asked you to clarify the layout of the three pipelines that make up moffet- are they in the same corridor?

    How’d that stupid?

    Remedy my ignorance by providing a link all knowing one 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭paddyisreal



    Great to see rural folk being able to build where they are from and not conform to the green utopia of us all living like ants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There are 2 pipelines, there was supposed to be a 3rd bi-directional pipeline but it was never completed.

    Easy mistake to make and not particularly relevant given that we don't physically export gas to the UK or Norway (any gas sold to the UK is done through accounting rather than physical transfer)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    It's a response by today's house buyers that they will not go into a yellow-pack developer built house - of which many are now without a basic functioning chimney.

    If the greens and green leaning politicians were anyway useful, they'd CPO lands on the edges of existing towns and villages and allow people build their own house on pre-serviced sites. This was one major flaw with the LPT - which should have been tied to said lands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    LCOE includes capacity factor

    so the 'availability' is irrelevant. Nuclear requrires backup whether it's offline 1% of the time, or 99% of the time

    Nuclear being centralised has fewer points of failure, so one mechanical error could knock out 50% of the grid

    Renewables are decentralised and when storage is part of the routine operation we don't have expensive infrastructure sitting ther mothballed (but ready to run at a moments notice) for years until it's needed

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Council only adopted the regulation in June 2022.

    Like Finland, Greece, Latvia , Cyprus , Estonia, Luxemburg and Slovakia we have arrangements with other EU countries that have gas storage.

    Norway is in the EEA so yes they have to accept the Four Freedoms of the single market. The UK is an island nation that can't feed itself and a trade war with Ireland would mean shortages on the shelves very shortly.


    If you are worried about political changes then a nuclear plant that takes 10 years to build and operate for a further 60 years would be a bigger hostage to fortune. (Not that you could reliably build it in 10 years or operate it much longer than long life wind turbines)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The greens, being the smallest party in a 3 party coalition are, of course, responsible for doing everything

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Green-leaning politicians encompasses alot more than just GP which is why I included them in my post. Besides, this thread is called "Green" policies, not Green Party Policies. There is alot of overlap between the two, but all dogs are animals, but not all animals are dogs.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    2030 is the date for 80% emissions reduction. Leaving only 20% to complete by 2050.

    28 years sounds like a long time but 28 countries over the last 30 years, couldn't even produce a single reactor that stayed up for a month. So 2050 may not be possible.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Tell them to wait 10 years instead because 10% of the world's nuclear reactors have been delayed or offline for the last decade.

    The capital costs won't change. Gas consumption over the year would be lower so overall lower costs. For short periods of time the peak wholesale price would go up, but it already does.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed, even Mary Lou supports the climate action plans, the sectoral limits etc. as does all of the party leaders bar none.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    image.png

    In Display Settings you can see projects like 2nd NI pipe and proposed LNG. Also shows the gas fields that could be used for storage.

    https://transparency.entsog.eu/#/map



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The reverse of the 'no true scotsman fallacy'

    Anyone who does anything I disagree with is 'green leaning#, therefore all 'bad things' are 'green' and everything I disagree with is a bad policy

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We will build some of the infrastructure

    Which is infinitely more than the amount of nuclear power we can generate in the next 7 years, or 14 years, or 21 years...

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    'the real world' where Nuclear is declining and renewables are rapidly overtaking all of the traditional fossil fuel infrastructure

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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