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So is 'war porn' a thing now?

  • 20-12-2022 05:51PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭


    Just a random thread for a random thought I had. But The Sun YouTube channel keeps uploading drone videos etc of the Ukraine war (once you click one of them... always in your feed eh) but it's a bit strange when you step back and look at it.

    People are dying in these videos and all the comments are like "great!" (Pretty much) ... now I am no soft touch. This is war this is what happens. That's life. Its just the videos are very popular. So is war porn a thing now? Lol.

    People enjoy seeing some other poor fu*k get killed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,826 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's just a general thing where video exists. It will make the TV news often, when if there was no video, it would never be considered worthy of inclusion in the radio news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Its just News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sex sells, and war is very sexy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    100% it is. There are a few addicts on Boards too.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,483 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    This has been around for years. The only change is the sheer amount of material available now.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you're old enough to remember the gulf war, it's nothing new. a war made for TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It 100% is, especially amongst 'the Sun' clientele.

    They seem very happy to have found people (Russians) whose deaths can be officially and without impunity cheered on together with the vilest insults. Plenty of that type around here too. Just have a look at all those couch toy soldiers in the Russia thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    As soon as Cameras were invented they took them to war.

    The only thing new is being offended about everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think it's a mixture of things and I doubt that feeling "joy" about seeing a human die is part of it, at least for the vast majority of viewers or commenters on that type of content.

    For one thing, the Ukraine war in particular is probably the most "open-source" war in history. Up until just a few years ago, most information that got out about a war was highly curated or censored by both sides, with things like gun camera footage from aircraft or tank sights only released sparingly and often years after the fact. Nowadays, were living in an age that is a paradise for OSINT (Open-Source Intelligence), with soldiers often having their smartphones with them even in battle. Recording and uploading a video takes only a couple of seconds, and with both sides in the conflict operating militarized civilian drones, mostly from DJI, which are controlled by smartphones, this is probably very tempting especially if the drone operator manages a particularly noteworthy bomb drop (through the branches of a tree into the open hatch of an APC underneath, for example). That goes beyond just "combat footage", by the way. People tend to record anything that's out of the ordinary, which leads to military convoys having their progress documented often in real time.

    It goes even beyond that. Newspapers, and even individuals, have access to resources that would have made any general green with envy even as recently as the early 2000s: Flight & ship tracking websites like marinetraffic.com or flightradar24.com can allow remarkable insight into aircraft and ship movements, whilst anyone can get a satellite image of any part of the world that is at most a few days old (weather permitting) using websites like Sentinel Hub. I only have a superficial interest in OSINT, and even for me, the amount of information available is dizzying.

    Secondly, a lot of social media users these days grew up around the likes of Battlefield, Call of Duty, ArmA or strategy game like World in Conflict or even the old Command & Conquer series. Gamers of my generation also likely experienced the first wave of "hardcore" military simulators from the late 1990s that simulated things like the F-16 or Eurofighter with such a level of depth that you'd wonder why the ministries of defense in many countries didn't raise hell with the developers. For a lot of these people, seeing their FPS games, sims and strategy games play out in real life is undoubtedly fascinating. I'll be honest, for me, this is definitely the case, as horrifying as the human and humanitarian toll of this senseless war is.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    It is enjoyable to a degree, especially watching scum like the Russians get arms and legs separated from their torsos. I feel absolutely nothing for them so doesn't bother me in the slightest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I was imagining a young Famke Janssen lookalike semi-clad in army uniform getting a good rogering inside a T72

    A trench outside Kyiv with a few youngwans bent over a large wooden post and a queue of soldiers puffing away on their fags as they await their turn

    An orgy taking place in the back of an army truck with strategically placed ammo boxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,632 ✭✭✭✭Rikand




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Open-Source Intelligence


    That sounds like a contradiction in terms 😂

    I get what you mean though and your interest in the subject, but I think what the OP is referring to are the kind of people who enjoy the opportunity to dehumanise human beings and enjoy watching their “enemies” suffer.

    It’s not new, and calling it ‘war porn’ is a euphemism for the fact that it is nothing more than propaganda, no different than “open source citizen journalism”, that goes back as far as recorded history - once humans can be stripped of their humanity, that makes it acceptable to regard them as though they’re not human, which makes it acceptable to derive a certain satisfaction in their suffering and still feel righteous about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,483 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I understand your anti Russian sentiment but the above makes you sound like a sociopath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We did see have a post on another thread showing a Russian soldier getting head from another Russian soldier on his knees before a Ukrainan drone dropped a grenade on them,

    War porn ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I just watch the videos of Ukrainians killing Russians, have no interest in the videos of Russians killing Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Even before that, many armies had dedicated war artists, sending back sketches and paintings from the battlefield.

    With the advent of film, they soon tired out trying to keep up with drawing explosions at 25 frames a second in real time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,826 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The tradition of the war artists is alive and well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I had anticipated something different when I saw the title. How disappointing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭j2


    It's so crazy how so many libs with Ukrainian flags and LGBT stuff all over their social media etc are bloodthirsty creeps once they get carte blanche to do so. It's almost as if all their moral superiority is absolute bullsh1t and they're awful human beings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    oops meant to save draft but was actually in a send post window. wrong thread too ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭mulbot


    It's almost comedic to watch the "Mercenaries", A. K. A. Video gamers, head over to fight with Nazi supporters, only to realise that its not a game and that artillery shell whistling through the air is about to take your head off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    To be fair they are getting paid relatively well by the Russians to die in their droves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Ekerot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You obviously haven't looked at any Russian accounts,

    But no surprise there comrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Doing a stellar job against the poor unfortunate souls the Russians sent to fight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Unfortunate Russians? I thought they were all subhuman "Orcs"? If you are going to dehumanise, please be consistent.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,393 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You are so right

    The Ukranians should just ask the Russians politely to return home.












    🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The Sun.

    That's where you went wrong. Right there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's been a thing for quite a while. It was around during Vietnam and it was absolutely obnoxious during the Iraq War. But there's definitely been a rise in chickenhawk attitudes with the war in the Ukraine. There are people who love what's going on over there, simply because it gives them something to do and say on social media.

    Just take a look at the train wreck threads in here for example. People talking crap about a region in Europe that they couldn't even point to on a map this time last year.



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