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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2022/2023 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Milder and more unsettled conditions are strongly favoured alright. Unlikely to be very mild though based on the ensembles. The mean trend is to continue to dilute the extent of how mild it gets.

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    There is still quite a spread on the pressure ensembles too

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    YAY back to the standard muck, cold muck, just in time for christmas.

    christ the timings are unreal.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Just before the GFS 12z rolls out, this mornings 6z shows massive rainfall totals from next weekend to Christmas day itself particularly south-western areas well in excess of 100mm over a 5 day period. I'm not sure I believe things are going to get this wet very quickly. Most of the country will be dry until next weekend and then the mild with low pressure systems will try to move in. Not guaranteed to happen yet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Would those kind of numbers fit in for a scenario of some blocking still existing and a low dumping a lot of rain in one area as it stalls against it?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    It's possible if the low pressure becomes stuck in one area unable to go much further for days. However I didn't really believe those very high rainfall totals in the 6z over the next 2 weeks seeing as much of the coming week will be largely dry away from coastal areas.

    The 12z has been updated and gone are the excessive rainfall totals.

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    There is still a chance this mild turn may not happen next weekend and as a result the precipitation totals would be reduced compared to the above.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Next weekend could bring a rather shortlived milder interlude with the AO and NAO both retreating back into negative territory. Possible reload of cold in the days leading up to Christmas potentially.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The JMA shows a slider low and the cold digging back in after next weekend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    RE: Next weekend and the mild v cold battle

    The GFS 18z shifts the jetstream further south resulting in a flatter trajectory for the low pressure system developing south of Newfoundland. Comparison between the 18z (left) and the earlier 12z (right) for Saturday afternoon (17th). Such a track would minimise potential for a quick transition to much milder weather next weekend.

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    By Sunday morning (18th), a slack area of high pressure is centred over Ireland which, combined with an already well frozen ground, low upper air temps and light variable winds, would keep temperatures well suppressed. Significant difference between the current run (left) and the earlier 12z run (right)

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    Hesitant to go beyond this as it is clear that next weekend is far from resolved. That said, the continuing trend towards a less cold, but far from mild outcome continues.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Looking at the 18z GFS tonight and the mild is getting pushed back, earlier this weekend it was hinting at the mild breaking through around the 17th/18th. Tonight it's the 19th/20th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Quite often in Ireland and in weather I general the way you start a season seems to be the pattern that exists for a lot of that season. Numerous wet Summers some hot ones numerous mild Winters some cold ones.

    Surely these charts are indicative that in general we are going to have much more blocking of the Atlantic this Winter than mild wet interludes. Its early days but it could become a pattern. Short breakdowns and reloading as there will be piles of cold to tap into.

    This is a cert to last all next week initially. After that there is a consensus of milder but not really a pattern that would lock in mild weather. There will be another cold reload. Its just a matter of how long it takes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Quite a scatter in the ensembles from Saturday into Sunday. Trend is certainly favouring the Atlantic encroaching and introducing a less cold airmass. The perbutations that favour the cold airmass staying in situe extend the heights over Greenland southward and cut off the low coming out of North America, just south of Newfoundland. Interesting period of weather watching ahead.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭icesnowfrost


    This is why I think some people should relax. A few days ago the first slight downgrade showed up and people lost it with the usual “ that’s it it’s all over winter is over “

    thankfully they where wrong. This is kinda what I was hoping and thought would happen that the colder air pushed back the milder. Now it seems the mild air is short lived. Christmas still looking 50/50 for cold but just seasonal cold at the moment anyway. Hope we get some colder uppers for next week as we seem to be just on the borderline.

    still enjoying this cold snap. looks like a threat of a SSW could be on the cards as well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The mean from the 18z GFS ensembles suggests less cold conditions from Sunday 18th. A low pressure system will bring rain, with perhaps some wintry precip on higher elevations in parts of Ulster on the 18th. It will be cool in the seven days leading up to Christmas Day. Temperatures perhaps a degree or so below normal for the time of year. Unsettled at times but no strong wind episode signalled. This is the most likely scenario but, as we have seen over the past two weeks, there remains plenty of scope for change. At least a blowtorch screaming southwesterly for Christmas is very unlikely 🎅

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Very interesting trends on that last chart. Good support for deeper cold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    My readings of the models this morning is there seem to barreling a low pressure into the cold again, from the west this time, and that is drawing the warm air up. Similar to how the Azores low was going to destroy the block. And the ibera low.

    Good bit to go yet, wait and see. Ensembles then were in agreement about the warm air winning out too! UKMO OP seems to be in support of continuing the cold for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Return to mild conditions is definitely favored now given most models on board with that. A lot can still change though and will it be a long term change or might things relapse? No idea. Interesting to see how it goes.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I don't mind a return to mild weather as long as it isn't too wet. The novelty of cold and frost has worn off with very little in the way of snow and the heating bills are going to be massive after this cold spell. Hoping for a reload late December or sometime in January that will hopefully be much more unstable and snowy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The latest GFS mean has the Atlantic low sitting off our west coast by Sunday into Monday dragging milder southsouthwesterlies over us.

    The ensembles still show quite a spread with less colder conditions favoured

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭pauldry


    At least Christmas Day will be milder at 8c to 10c from this chart

    So the mean seems to suggest the cold lasts another week or so then there's a breakdown as the Atlantic wins back and temperatures go up to average again.

    There is also building consensus of a blocking pattern returning after the Christmas though far out into FI they got a lot of this spell right when it was in FI.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    If that low for next weekend tracks as forecast in the latest runs then there are red warning level gusts there for a lot of coastal areas. Let's hope we don't get such a severe storm after this lovely settled period. The break from the incessant Autumn wind has been quite nice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I'll take the frost over cold or even "mild" rain any day!

    I always find it amusing when people describe wet windy days this time of year in Ireland as "mild", in a positive sense. They obviously don't have to work out in it 😅



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z rollout, turns milder over the course of the weekend and then things start to look very stormy and Atlantic driven as we head into Christmas week.

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    However the GEM has very different ideas, instead of a mild and stormy scenario we are on the edge of plunging into the freezer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The current cold spell looks almost certain to last through next Saturday before a low pressure system brings a milder, wet and potentially windy spell of weather for Sunday through Tuesday. Thereafter, there are signs that cold weather may dig back in, this time from a Polar Maritime direction bringing heavy wintry showers by midweek. The latest GEM run below

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    The GFS shows something similar. Those two models are signalling a mild, cold, mild, cold etc pattern setting up as we approach and go through Christmas. It's a pattern we are well used to in Ireland in winter.

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    The NAO looks set to dip marginally drop back into negative territory after Sunday's break in the cold spell.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    UKMO is similar to the gem, a mild spanish plume blip and back into the freezer. GFS seems to be the mildest at the moment. Lets see what the ECM says!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭ascophyllum


    GEM and UKMO have outperformed the GFS through this last few weeks to my cursory glances at them. GFS also tends to throw up extreme examples of low pressures when it senses a signal over a week out. Be some craic if the models hint at a big reload.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z could be a warm outlier, it is very mild for Christmas Day with winds sourced from the Canarys/Morocco.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭CirrusBusiness


    GEM for 20th Dec wanting to send us more towards the freezer rather than mild.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS 12z is very much a mild outlier at the very mildest range of the set. Overall the GFS have swung more towards Cold from December 22 and on into Christmas.

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    Will the pub run operational show the coldest end of the range tonight. Many more runs are needed to see where we end up for Christmas, model watching could become quite exciting during this week as we try to pin down a possible cold outbreak over the Christmas period.

    Currently the trend is to turn it milder than average for a day or 2 from Sunday and then a cooling trend from the 21st of December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ECM is pretty consistent by day 5 of somewhat milder air moving in. Think it's safe to be reasonably confident about it. It will be about whether it's comparatively fleeting or a big change. We won't know for some days I think where things might go in the run up to Christmas.

    We have moved a way from the blow torch southerly though to something more benign.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Iceland, under -8 to -12 uppers, faces a four day long storm Sunday to Wednesday in the ECM 🇮🇪🧐.

    Ireland under the influence of milder southwesterlies. Not sure where it goes from there

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