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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Liath Luachra


    Yep, can recall same here for my kids. Even with a passport, it was a hassle to open account as my partner and I are not married and only the mother allowed to be present to open account, even with both parents named on birth cert. But it can done with government issued papers for asylum seekers.

    Bank of Ireland makes it easier for asylum seekers to open bank accounts - Bank of Ireland Group Website

    Inspecting at steps of aircraft and subsequently deported based on absence of ID or fraudulent papers deemed unlawful and has now ceased

    Ireland is illegally turning back Georgian and Albanian immigrants – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I love the Great Replacement theory. Thought up by white people in the US who are worried they are going to be replaced by "others".

    And the thing is they know what they are talking about don't they, having Replaced the original inhabitants of N. America. Here's some population stats for white Americans (US only!!).

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    They sure are being replaced big time!

    Of course today's white Americans include Irish, Italians, Hispanics (some of them anyway) and of course Jews along with various other groups who were all considered 'other' and undesireable at one time or another.

    In reality, it is just the modern version of 1930s anti-Semitism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I am sure the handful of posters who called the locals nazis and right wing extremists will be consistent and be along to show there outrage at these women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    don't think anyone called the locals that. people said there was an element of the rent a mob right wing folks among the locals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Way to go to win an argument - yer an odd, angry, creepy , small person apparently hamanchi. That's you told!

    Any further posts from you hamanchi are now discredited as a result of these facts coming to light!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The interesting thing about East Wall is that it is far more multicultural and diverse than large parts of Ireland (as is much of Dublin 1). Throughout this story, I've never got the impression there was any issue with racism in the area....all of those making noise about the subject online and on social media are almost certainly not from that part of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    There is no issue with racism in the area or the protests. Still, interesting to see your thought process as an example of cognitive dissonance in action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Liath Luachra


    Both sides are acting according to the governments and accommodation contractors wishes. Protesting outside East Wall, Fermoy etc is futile as is marches welcoming refuges. I haven't heard any of those supporting refugees commenting on the substandard accommodation they're in, the supporters are unwittingly advocating for a profit driven system that is rapidly moving towards a replication of a direct provision scenario. Nor do the East Wall etc protestors comment on the lucrative contracts handed out to known corrupt companies. Why no protests outside Aramak offices etc. This has nothing to do with the great replacement - its profit pure and simple. Why are the supporters of refugees not commenting on the clear inequity where asylum seekers are sleeping in tents with the contractor receiving 135 euros a day for providing same?

    This system will continue as long as the government allows its to be so lucrative - marches for or against and all the name calling in the world from both sides masks the bigger picture and on it goes....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Which countries insist everyone who enters has to be police vetted?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    enricoh and Hamachi threadbanned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The government handled this whole affair badly by placing the asylum seekers into a building and not even consulting the local community. Their main problem seems to be lack of communication and forward planning in terms of where they place asylum seekers and refugees.

    But the idea that this is a huge 'crisis' for the country doesn't hold up either. Certainly, the arrival of 65,000 refugees fleeing war in Ukraine has created immense challenges and local difficulties this year and put big pressure on hotels and accommodation. But outside of this, our numbers of asylum seekers and refugees are not particularly high compared to continental Europe. The overwhelming number of non nationals in the country are here by conventional means and have the legal right to work, study or live in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    You've downplayed the crisis without actually making an argument to support your point. Some nations having more immigrants than us, doesn't mean that the crisis is not a crisis. You do have a point to a degree though, in that we're not at the worst point yet, that will come in the summer when hoteliers want their accommodation back, and there's thousands of our new guests needing to be homed with nowhere for them to go. Even then though, people like yourself will still be here doing what you do, trying to trivialize a massive societal issue.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes



    Its hardly a coincidence that all of the immigrants are dumped into working class neighborhoods too; East Wall, Cookstown, inner city Dublin, City West etc. Curiously, none have ended up in the leafy environs of Ballsbridge, Ranelagh, Dalkey, Foxrock, Dun Laoghaire etc. The political elite have done a masterful job at shielding their donor pals and supporters, while eagerly indulging them with all the associated lucrative contracts. The whole thing is a scam on a grand scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Like the Aussies do. Get every vested interest in the world involved? Nope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i'd say it's just to do with the availability and price of property. i know there's a dp centre in stillorgan anyway. i kind of wish they'd open a few in leafier areas though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    don't they hold undocumented migrants in detention centres there for a long time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i thought they did yeah, and that you were suggesting they just send the undocumented migrants that arrive back somewhere



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    eggy81 threadbanned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭baldbear


    The main issue to me are the people destroying their papers/ passports at the airport. They come into the country and it takes around 2 years to process their application with no papers. They won't be deported.

    They In turn are telling people we are a light touch and others come in and so do the same.

    These economic migrants are taking up valuable resources that should be used for legitimate asylm seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Ecuador, the United States to name a few - it’s hardly uncommon.





  • Everything this Govt does is done in a reactive way without single thought or consideration of consequences.

    They are up there with if not the worst Government since the foundation of the state.

    The overwhelming lack of real world experience outside of the political sphere mixed with career civil servants and politicians is really showing itself. I'm really surprised Paschal Donohue has not read this situation better as I would view him as the most competent of the lot.

    Perhaps his eye is on a job in Europe and he's not willing to rock the boat too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Have you links to all of this? I looked up Canada and it doesnt require police vetting to enter the country.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Liath Luachra


    Lift the curtain and much of their policies have had secondary benefits, albeit not for the Irish citizen - lax border control simply provides more asylum seekers who are essentially assets, benefitting accommodation providers and all the tertiary offshoots, legal system, NGOS etc etc, creating another competitor (i.e. Ukrainian refugees) by rewarding homeowners to provide rooms, simply drives rent and demand further. I'm not sure is it incompetence or a facade of incompetency behind which political policies are driven.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Sorry if it’s been already posted but the Indo had an article featuring two Algerian girls complaining about their conditions in east wall after living in the crowne plaza for 7 months. Their reason for leaving Algeria was they didn’t like their countries attitude to women and reckoned they could work here so were immediately put in hotels at our expense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Finding some aspects of the story hard to believe. If that was their official reason of seeking asylum surely they wouldn’t be put into accommodation full of young men of the culture they are seeking asylum from. Either they are lying or someone needs to get sacked.



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