World Cup 2022 - Team and Match Discussion

y0ssar1an22 · 09-12-2022 10:12PM

and messi passes out batistuta as argie all time world cup scorer. as far as i'm concerned the best striker the last 20 years followed by RVN

09-12-2022 10:13PM

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Fair enough, just being curious.

I personally think France and England play better stuff but to be fair very few international teams play brilliant football (Portugal were good against the Swiss). I think it’s just their antics to be honest, just feels like they could actually be a much better watch if they played football, rather than spending most of the match trying to antagonise the opposition.

irishguitarlad · 09-12-2022 10:17PM

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Yeah he's always at that, as you can see tonight he lost complete control of the game. Welcome to La Liga refereeing.

~Rebel~ · 09-12-2022 10:17PM

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There's nothing in the rules or basic ideology of the game that a free kick should guarantee a high-quality shot straight at goal. It's just a free kick, same as everywhere else on the pitch - you may get one closer to goal, from which you can try something more dangerous, and you're given all the time you need to work out your tactics and strike it however you wish. Having an extra man in the wall means an extra attacker free, and attacking teams can see if they can use that to take advantage by doing something else. We saw something interesting done today for the first time in aaages, and i'd rather see more of that, of teams looking to innovate, than force the game to get stuck in a pre-determined pattern.

I think football is better when it's not hyper regulated with room for the unexpected, and the counter actions to that. So I prefer the simple situation of a free, from which you can do what you want tactically, and the defending team can do what they want to try to counter act your plans.

sligeach · 09-12-2022 10:19PM

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Meh. There were players who should have been booked, and weren't. Van Dijk in that mini melee. Could have been sent off, but weren't. Wieghorst. I think the refs try to protect the players, especially the standout players, they're probably instructed to do so.

Drumpot · 09-12-2022 10:21PM

1990 World Cup

Argentina lose first game

They over rely on one exceptional player

They don’t play a particularly entertaining football

Their goalkeeper performs heroics in penalties on way to final

The list keeps synchronising up the further they go in this.

sligeach · 09-12-2022 10:24PM

I think we can all agree that the worst outcome for the other semi-final would be Portugal v England. So fingers crossed for Morocco and France. France are the probably the best team left in the tournament.

Prisoner6409 · 09-12-2022 10:24PM

Glad Argentina are through, Dutch were always known for the dirt, kicked the **** out of the Spanish in 2010. However what was Argentinas no 4, Montiel thinking pushing that dutch player in the back just outside the penalty area with a minute to go, are these footballers idiots, no brains?, he nearly caused Argentina to go home.

pjohnson · 09-12-2022 10:32PM

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About an hour ago, the Dutch scored a low Free Kick.

sligeach · 09-12-2022 10:32PM

They replaced Pitch Perfect 3 with an equally pile of $#1#€! Is it called First Dates Ireland?

Ferris_Bueller · 09-12-2022 10:32PM

What a game tonight, such entertainment and drama throughout the second half and extra time. The Netherlands free kick was pure genius. I thought they would go on to win it but the Messi narrative continues and I'll be all aboard that train for the next ten days or so.

Agree France are the best team left in it but this tournament has had a few surprises to date. Hopefully France beat England tomorrow and then Portugal should beat Morocco (have a feeling they will be exhausted after the last game).

Knockout rounds have been disappointing to date but tonight really made me appreciate the world cup again.

jacool · 09-12-2022 10:40PM

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I agree that the Dutch were crap in 2010, but if that is the basis for your argument, do you want to back to 1978, and the World Cup played in Argentina, a country being run by a junta for 2 years? The game between Argentina and Peru was fixed to kick out Brazil. Reasons enough there to go against the Albiceleste. They have been dirt for 40 years. Stupid logic, yes, but you started it!

Clearly though tonight something happened between the referee and Argentina, because this was the most biased and corrupt refereeing I have ever seen at a World Cup. He'll be on the next plane out of Doha, and Argentina will get to wondering how to assault the Croatians. They will find out, however, that they are ever so slightly more physical than the Dutch. Hopefully, there'll be a ref on duty that day who knows the rules and isn't just chasing a jersey as a souvenir.

jacool · 09-12-2022 10:42PM

Pure dirt

billyhead · 09-12-2022 11:02PM

Such an unlikeable team. I hope Croatia stuff them.

BorneTobyWilde · 09-12-2022 11:03PM

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2-2

Ronaldo scores 2, Messi scores 2

Extra time, Messi picks up ball in midfield, dances through 5 players to score the winner with 1 minute to go

NIMAN · 09-12-2022 11:12PM

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Croatia ain't stuffing anybody, considering they play without a forward.

They had one shot on target today, and that was the goal in extra time, and it was deflected.

They are no great watch either.

TheRiverman · 09-12-2022 11:12PM

I have never seen Virgil Van Dijk take a penalty until tonight. It's good to see the Captain step up and take responsibility, but to my eyes and I know people will disagree, he never looked like he was going to score it, even the way he stood behind the ball didn't look right.

TheRiverman · 09-12-2022 11:13PM

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They are nothing without Messi.

billyhead · 09-12-2022 11:14PM

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Fair enough but you should show respect to your opponent's. Reminds me of when Keown made that monkey face after Van Nistlerooy missed the peno for United. Keown was awful horrible cnut.

TheRiverman · 09-12-2022 11:15PM

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He didn't have to make one, he has one.

TheRiverman · 09-12-2022 11:20PM

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Pity they haven't one or two good goalscorers, considering they still have such a wonderful play maker in Modric.

robwen · 09-12-2022 11:26PM

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https://youtu.be/5juj-pfDd-g

Martinez watched the league cup final penalty shootout

NIMAN · 09-12-2022 11:30PM

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He was excellent today, but a goalscorer he ain't.

Croatia are dogged. I would never call them a flair team. Then again, very few teams are these days.

Often it's about managing games. Croatia never seem to quit, that's why they have been involved on extra time and penalties often.

sligeach · 09-12-2022 11:45PM

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There was crap going on throughout the penalties between the two sides. The commentators kept saying it, but the cameras never showed it. There was constant needle throughout the match. The ref didn't help quash it. So yeah, that photo doesn't look great in some regards, but I never trust the media these days. Not all of them are looking that way, and maybe they're looking at management. I'll reserve judgement.

dfx- · 10-12-2022 12:00AM

Didn't think much wrong about the ref, he should've booked Messi earlier, but that's about it. I mean he could've sent about ten players off and booked pretty much every squad member of both teams the way it went on with several bench clearouts

The penalty was a penalty, the last second free kick was a freekick. Delighted though that Netherlands are out, they have stunk out tournaments for too long now.

jacool · 10-12-2022 12:02AM

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No TV showed replay when Dutch player was taken down in the box, and no comment from VAR. Looked as much of a foul as Dumfries on Messi.

fyfe79 · 10-12-2022 12:06AM

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This is my suspicion, too. That photo looks terrible from an Argentinian point of view, but I would guess that they were goaded to some degree by the Dutch. If they were, then fairs fair. If they weren't, then they should be ashamed as I've never seen that before in a penalty shoot-out.

Odds on Croatia holding out for another shoot-out?

Loafing Oaf · 10-12-2022 12:22AM

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Odds on Croatia holding out for another shoot-out?

Argentina will surely seek to take the game to them more aggressively than Brazil. Easier said than done of course but surely they must believe they have a better chance of winning an open game against Croatia than one that goes to penalties, even if that involves conceding the first goal...

breezy1985 · 10-12-2022 01:55AM

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So you think they are gonna lose in the final to Germany ?

😁

Osmosis Jones · 10-12-2022 03:38AM

Lautaro Martinez followed out of the centre circle by 4 Dutch players as he walks up to take the winning penalty, just as some context for everyone calling the Argentinians scumbags for that photo.

https://twitter.com/ncastrovillari/status/1601390432298360833?s=20&t=MQvj0LO3DYOOIfhU-EwSzA

In fact to an extent they did it for every Argentina penalty, absolutely awful refereeing to allow that to continue

https://twitter.com/smoalznb/status/1601402290589822979?s=20&t=eM0uhjEFEHwqp2DFRd9Ekg

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