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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trumpism comes inherently from the right.

    This isn't about "rejecting the right in general" this is about "dangers coming from the right."



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump with his anti-democratic rhetoric lost most in the midterms.

    But Republicans and conservatives are far bigger than one man.

    That's why Ron DeSantis is polling so favourably against Biden.

    You can keep trying to make Trump and the entire flank of the right synonymous, but you'll fail every time.

    It would be as ridiculous as me suggesting that Corbyn's defeat meant a wholesale rejection of the left.

    Your reasoning is faulty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You can keep trying to make Trump and the entire flank of the right synonymous, but you'll fail every time.

    I'm not sure what you're getting this framing from. You made it about Trump specifically, I was just refuting your bullshit claim that the 'few hundred people who stormed the capitol' were not a danger of some kind, when in fact, they will be taking their seats in January.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The thread title says dangers coming from the right.

    Yet you are lauding the midterm results, which was a rejection of Trumpism.

    So to argue the danger is still coming from the right is quite frankly bizarre.

    Electoral results do not match your conclusion, nor the premise in the thread title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The thread title says dangers coming from the right.

    Yet you are lauding the midterm results, which was a rejection of Trumpism.

    So to argue the danger is still coming from the right is quite frankly bizarre.

    So you're saying the Ukraine war is over because the Russians withdrew from the middle ground of the fight?

    That's the level of logical absurdness in that argument.

    Danger is of course still coming from the right - these people who lost their seats didn't evaporate. Their tens of millions of voters didn't disappear either, and they have foothold now in the House of Representatives. That, clearly, is a danger. And those are just the ones who were at the storming of the capitol, if you want to talk about the right in general, let's:

    [A]t least 60% of the Republican candidates who raised unfounded doubts about the validity or integrity of the 2020 election results — 185 of 308 — are projected to win their midterm races so far. Candidates deemed by CBS News to be election deniers have one or more of these characteristics:

    • Said they believe the 2020 election was stolen;
    • Repeated disproven claims of widespread voter fraud in 2020;
    • Supported a type of post 2020-audit, sometimes following recounts or canvassing;
    • Signed onto the Texas lawsuit looking to overturn the 2020 election results in several battleground states;
    • Objected to certify the 2020 electoral college results in Arizona and Pennsylvania on Jan. 6, 2021; or
    • Have at least once, if not more, been unclear when asked if they believe President Joe Biden was legitimately elected.

    That list includes my own congressman, who did not physically storm the capitol yet facilitated every aspect of the effort, incl. signing on to various lawsuits, and voting to object to certification hours after blood was spilled out in the hallway over claims he helped broadcast, that the election was 'rigged' and Biden was not lawfully elected.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Where do you come up with most of your shite? Nobody is suggesting Putin's Russia isn't a danger. Putin is a dictator. His political opponents or anyone critical of him in mainstream Russian media disappears or winds up dead in "accidents".

    Dictators have throughout modern history been dangerous, and nobody here is supporting Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

    If I said I liked dogs, you'd infer that I hate cats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So to argue the danger is still coming from the right is quite frankly bizarre.

    Stop pretending you don't know that a former President and potential future Presidential candidate didn't host an anti-semite and a White Supremacist at his house last week.

    What gave you the idea that this thread was or is only about the mid term elections? Or is that the latest attempt to suggest that this conversation should be wound down?

    Didn't you spend time yesterday agreeing with someone that there was too much US focused discussion? Now you think this is only about one event in the US.

    Have a read of the OP again to refresh your mind, or have a look at post #1345 if you need to see other topics that warrant mentioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Pointing to a handful of Congresspersons does not substantiate your point at all. If anything, it exposes the weakness of it.

    • Person A: These people will never be involved in politics really.
    • Person B: They've just been elected to the House.
    • Person A: That only proves my point

    Do you see how stupid your argument sounds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The Democrats are also a right wing party, a little less right than the republicans. The US is traditionally a right wing dominated country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    For @eskimohunt who now wants to focus this conversation on Trump, and Trump only.

    I posted this already but it shows just how intertwined US political messaging from the right is with hate speech.

    Everyone else should absolutely not stop shining a light on this and allow the central players to skulk away and lick their wounds from the mid-term and start building up groundswell support on the back of knowing that Trump met with Fuentes and Kanye and that their message was heard, even if he has to pretend he disagrees to the media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    US Democrats might be right by various European standards, but they're very much not in the context in which they operate.

    In the same way that right and left dynamics in Ireland don't translate directly to what exists in the US or even the UK for that matter, but right/left can still be discussed in the context of each environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ...so what you're saying is... that we've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right?

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    I don't really think people saw Ralph Nader as a threat or Dennis Kucinich lol

    Even when both parties trend left, within that set, we see republicans dominate the right and democrats dominate the left of the set.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If you planted king orc back in the height of the soviet union as press no one would argue he is not a communist. Some still seem to have a shine for the old communism and try to say king orc is right wing. 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Guy seems to be a clown I wager he has very little following outside a certain viewpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That viewpoint is prominent people in one of the two biggest parties in the US and the main hosts on the most watched cable news network in the country.

    That's it, that's the problem. Not because he exists with the ideas he has, but because so many so close to power have similar. See the problem now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Repeating this over and over, doesn't make it true, sorry to disappoint. You can't manifest him in to something you want him to be, no matter how hard you try.

    Do you want to answer a question asked here today that the poster it was asked of refused to answer.

    'Do you think the people who attacked the capitol, could be most accurately described as being right wing, or far right wing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Read the post again maybe. Or admit/explain how you think it means there's nothing to worry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I would call them idiots Gullible idiots. They would probably struggle to write an x on the ballot.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If I had to use a label American Nationalists. They probably love guns, apple pie, monster trucks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So you don't think they were right wing at all is that what you are saying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No not right wing. So far to the right we don't have a scale for it. Why I chose Nationalist. Usual head the ball types. Just being conservatives for them would not be enough. You put them in a room of normal right wing types would probably lead to blood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

    So if they're so far to the right, (and beyond even the far right it seems given you didn't select that option to identify them as such) then that would make them extremists wouldn't it, by definition?

    That means that the former President, some sitting Senators, House Representatives, a Supreme Court Justices wife, the former presidents family and advisors of his (all Republicans) are all supporters of extremists?

    Do you think that that fact is a danger to society that people should be aware of and want to change?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,306 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Fuck me.

    The mental gymnastics being employed to simply avoid the bloody obvious about which side of the political aisle Trump supporters sit on is just astounding.

    SMFH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    His views are laundered on Fox News, the highest rated new broadcaster in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No not right wing. So far to the right we don't have a scale for it. Why I chose Nationalist. 

    If you're saying it's so far to the right - that's the scale for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    You can't tar everyone with one brush apparently when it's the left. American Right seem to have fallen out with MAGA so it's not going to be an issue Desantis seems to be the next big thing trump is getting dumped only a hardcore will follow. The moderate Right has turned on it's far right element unlike the left. So I see it going back to a more conservative moderate element. But it is America so plenty of mud to be thrown around till election time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So, we're agreed, all those Republicans I mentioned in my last post, are supporters of extremists.

    The moderate Right has turned on it's far right element unlike the left.

    Can you give an example of the moderate right turning on the far right element please. Be specific please, if it has happened as you say, there should be no issue finding examples.



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