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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,532 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If they had time to video their days in the office doing next to no work, then it makes sense to have thinned the herd. I am sure there are plenty who were working....likely these are the ones who still have jobs.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    We will see after a few months if musk even swung the axe hard enough. Sure I feel sorry for people loosing one of the best jobs ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Would that be like say the nurses and doctors videoing themselves during the pandemic, could the health services 'thin the heard' there also?

    Or would that cause issues? I haven't seen the twitter staff videos, where 3700 of them vlogging 40hrs a week sitting there twiddling their thumbs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Sure no one anywhere does any work if you think a handful of videos are indicative of what they are doing 100% of the time.

    Stripe, the payment platform had 8,000 employees before recently announcing 15% reduction. Tech companies might provide a lot of perks in terms of less 'formative' work environments but any stories I've heard in that respect are of them being pretty intensive places to work despite that appearance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Nobody goes in and hacks out 50% of the staff for no reason. It's a Gigantic number. 15% sure reasonable enough. I'm musing here but it's probably people that got premotions to stupid roles. Repeat and repeat. You will have a core staff of Engineers, Devs, R&D. Remember twitter has barely changed from the outset. What would most of them actually be doing. You don't have 1000s of staff reading tweets all day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No one goes in and cuts 50% of staff on a Friday and publishes a multitude of job vacancies on a Sunday as Twitter seems to have done.

    Even without the job ads being posted, cutting so much so quickly once again looks like someone not knowing what they're trying to do unless it's to specifically shut down teams with specific functions as does seem to have been the case.

    Asking people to print 50 pages of code, or whatever it was is another example of someone not knowing what they are at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    All true I guess but it's only a tiny fraction being looked for the vast majority will still be gone. So unless it's in the hundreds I don't really see an issue. It could just be that get rid of this team but forgetting some in the team were needed. These things happen. The question on my lips is do People want twitter to fail that leads to a 100% job loss.



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The whole thing is bizarre. It seems to now be a personal fiefdom rather than a social media platform.

    Can you imagine walking into a very complex organisation, doing something you couldn’t possibly have any in-depth understanding of and firing half the staff and probably causing an atmosphere where many others will just leave, and doing all that in the space or 5 days?!

    No corporate take over operates like that. Even if you wanted to make profound and radical changes, you’d begin by spending months (possibly even a couple of years) analysing the organisation and making gentle very careful changes, deploying change management teams and all sort of stuff to avoid damaging whatever it is the organisation does!

    He’s also managed to upset the customers -both the end users and advertisers, to the point that there’s a surge of interest in a previously rather obscure open source platform, and the advertisers have paused business!

    There is simply no possible way that he, or anyone else outside the organisation, could have a better understanding of what it does and how it does it. It defies any reasonable analysis!

    I’d be surprised if there is a Twitter in 6 months if this is the trajectory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Did the last owner not apologise about how it was run and got into this state ?



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well unless Twitter was about to be very quickly insolvent, which looking at its last published accounts, it doesn’t seem very likely, it’s way, way too radical and too quick.

    I mean what he’s doing looks more like what a liquidator might do to a failing conglomerate.

    No organisation can survive that kind of seismic change, and particularly not one that’s based in knowledge economy type sectors. They are a team of people, its collective knowledge, a brand and good will and that’s pretty much it.

    This is is like pruning a rose bush with a lawn mower.

    He’s going to end up with a brand, and very little else and I suppose if you’ve $44bn to play with on this kind of thing as a hobby …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    You don't put in that kind of cash if your breaking the company apart and selling off stuff you cannot re coupe that money from twitter that way. Musk bought it and the shares went to trash that shows exactly how inflated it was. The last guy basically passed a S*it sandwich on to someone. Either Musk will make it profitable or it will go to the wall.



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’ll go to the wall, or it’ll end up as some sad former brand bought by some dull company, when he gets bored and cuts his losses.

    There’s nothing to break apart or sell other than the brand and maybe some national value of the data it probably holds, most of which isn’t all that useful as it’s not very deep or personally linked (unlike Google and Facebook)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So everyone's faux outrage about the employees is just a side show ?



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Give it a few months. There’s a reality under the cloud of smoke.

    As it’s now a private company, the markets won’t particularity care, other than the impact is might have on linked investments / loans etc.

    It’ll be interesting…

    Meta’s sloshing of billions upon billions into a large virtual reality hole in the ground seems to be more likely to cause a market panic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    True a refreshing opinion. But it was always touted as a private company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A brand that he has kicked the living sh*t out of.



  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe someone will buy it and stick it on cheap TVs along side all the other random old brands …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Come on now.

    It's very early for the 'Dorsey made a mess of things and if it fails, it will be his fault' excuses.

    If what you said is the case, it's still Musk's mistake because he waived option for due diligence. And as already said, the speed at which he is acting does not look like someone who assessed methodically what was being done, by who and then acted but rather someone who had already planned this course of action before he pulled that bizarre stunt of walking in with a sink.

    If it goes to the wall, it's on Musk. It will be a case of 'he bought it, he broke it'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No no lets not rewrite history it's was profitable once in its entire life. If it goes to the wall that's on external factors not on Musk. Advertisers were fine to put adds on a none profitable platform for some reason. I cant think what that reason is....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So he spent 44B on something that was or is likely to fail?

    Rationalize that for us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No he did not. When do advertisers care about people losing their jobs. losing a voice a certain voice is the core issue. Musk thinks he can turn it around. Why are we against that do we want all twitter staff out of jobs ? Seems an odd view. that was around 8k people world wide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Look, this attempted strawman of trying to pretend people should support what Musk is doing so as to avoid the potential of people losing their jobs is ignoring the bigger picture. Musk has made an impulse buy of a product that he doesn't really understand and he has immediately made dramatic and conflicting actions and statements on what is a global interface. And him doing so is very significant, even before we get anywhere close to assessing what the impact of his ownership is fully going to have.

    Your inference would be similar to suggesting people appease Putin with respect to Ukraine so as to avoid the likely death of Ukranian defenders (deaths that have occurred and will continue to occur) but it fails to consider the impact of not resisting Putins actions longer term.

    I would rather we see Musk's endeavor with respect to Twitter to fail because I feel he has is a volatile influence on the global conversation, he has indicated a tolerance, if not outright support for rhetoric that is extremely dangerous and I have never found him to be a likable character or one who has demonstrated any capacity to consider the greater good of society in his actions. And he is in a position to influence society, that's a fact. That does not mean I want people to lose their jobs, but if it was a choice between a few thousand highly qualified people who would stand a very high likelihood of getting replacement jobs losing theirs, or society moving further towards a place where uber-wealthy people have the power to negatively impact society in general, or other workers in particular, then print those P45's immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    sorry I stopped reading after putin... jesus. its sm not a bloody war.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It almost as if the detailed, well thought out plan we were told about earlier didn’t actually exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Equal speech apparently means amplifying child sexual abuse material producing Nazis.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So what’s the purpose of his latest clarification about comedy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You don’t need to twist 240 million to corrupt the election, Look at what Cambridge Analytica did for Trump and Brexit, focusing on a small number of persuadable voters in swing constituencies.



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