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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • #2252
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Do we need a societal reset where we have to teach people what words means? It seems we do, because people keep mentioning free speech where it doesn't even apply. They are doing it with smugness too, like they've scored a point, when in reality they aren't even playing in the right field. Musk blocking certain accounts has zero to do with free speech, not having a blue check mark also has zero to do with free speech. None of those things stops someones ability to speak freely on Twitter.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #2253
    BruteStock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836255#Comment_119836255

    He wasn't brought to court so you are misinformed. Secondly saying he is going to pull out isn't actually doing it.

    You said he exhausted every avenue to get out the deal. Name one?

    Let's cut the chase. That was a false statement.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/elon-musk-can-walk-away-from-twitter-deal-by-paying-1bn-break-fee-1.4863199#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20can%20walk%20away%20from%20his%20%2444%20billion%20(%E2%82%AC,in%20the%20typical%20leveraged%20buyout.




  • #2254
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836199#Comment_119836199

    By the time you've been brainwashed into believing David Icke nonsense, you've been conditioned through years of smaller lies, subtle digs at the Jews controlling everything, you've been conditioned that everything to the left of a 'libertarian' position is 'socialism' which = communism etc.

    Look at Jordan Peterson for example. He never gets tired of casually equating people and concepts that disagree with him as 'marxist' and 'postmodern' but when people point out that some of his messaging aligns strongly with fascistic movements (eg his promotion of the Pereto Principle, which apart from being not actually true, has been used to justify fascism, including directly inspiring Mussolini who was the architect of fascism)

    People can be disinformed, systematically, and led down a destructive path if they get enticed by demagogues who can sprinkle in Just enough credible sounding information along with the lies and distortions and assertions that they themselves are the source of answers and their followers should get their truth from them.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2255
    bokale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836261#Comment_119836261

    Would you agree with people who say that Twitter's current content moderation stops someones ability to speak freely on Twitter?



  • #2256
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836138#Comment_119836138

    How are they "owned"? People can still do that, and still not pay him the $8 per month.



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  • #2257
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836267#Comment_119836267

    Give me an example? I can't think of one thing that I've seen that stops someones right to speak freely so far. The only thing that would, is if they were unjustly banned for some reason or another, as thousand and thousands of accounts were pre Musk.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #2258
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836226#Comment_119836226

    He made the offer at the vastly inflated price because Twitter's board didn't want to sell to him and he kept increasing the offer until they basically had to agree or the shareholders would have fired them

    Musk himself inflated the share price before buying it, and then crashed the share price with everything he has done since signing that deal

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2259
    bokale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836278#Comment_119836278

    Are you saying twitter has always allowed people to speak freely under its content moderation policies?



  • #2260
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836199#Comment_119836199

    You might have been able to make that arguement when COVID first appeared, but not now.

    Have you ever actually used Twitter?

    Some people debate things. The rest are there to push their position. So no it isn't a kneejerk reaction to ban those who push misinformation. You can't inform those who don't want to be informed.

    I don't know what world you live in, where denying platforms to reach potentially 10's if not 100's of millions of people actually helps spread misinformation further.

    What happened to Novax was entirely his own doing. You may want to defend lying to get past border controls, but that's on you.



  • #2261
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836264#Comment_119836264

    Hitler also abused Darwinism for his own twisted desires, does that mean we should dispense with Darwinism?

    Your logic is faulty.

    I disagree with your claim about exposure to bad ideas. Far-left types are obsessed with fascism. So let's take an actual far-right racist menace, in the former BNP leader, Nick Griffin. When he was gifted the position to appear on Question Time, the far-left was protesting outside the BBC on the basis that it would lead to "hate" being spread, and his ideas being supported to a far greater extent. What happened? His arguments were utterly torn asunder during the programme, his reputation destroyed. He was humiliated. The BNP tanked from that point forward.

    The moral of the story is clear: exposing bad ideas to public critique (and humour) works better than allowing bad ideas to spread nefariously underground. It doesn't always work, but it works better.

    Suppressing conspiracy theories never works because, once suppressed, the preacher of the theory will say, "Look, I told you; they're scared you'll hear the truth and don't want you to hear it!".

    It plays into their hands.



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  • #2262
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836263#Comment_119836263

    Ffs.

    image.png

    And he was brought to court.

    image.png

    And forced to buy it.

    image.png

    You're entitled to your own feelings, not your own facts.



  • #2263
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It does seem like a bit haphazard, he's kept the teams responsible for moderation that he promised to get rid of and fired the teams working on AI and ML that were going to be leaned on for future efficiencies. Maybe he's planning on tanking then price now to build it up again (tech stocks are all down, but a lot will likely rebound together as the smaller companies hack and slash driving down costs all up). It's also a relatively small company in the grand scheme of things and was likely pursuing a pot of unnecessary ventures away from its core business (of text messages for followers).

    I'd also point that a lot more than 8/250 would have been Irish, but I suspect that poster has other deeply rooted issues around racism and conspiracies to work out and is only skimming the surface here.



  • #2264
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836132#Comment_119836132

    If there is one thing that the richest people on the planet all have in common is they are not smart when it comes to business.



  • #2265
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836216#Comment_119836216

    That's a very weak definition, I'm sure you will be providing a source.

    How about the Collins dictionary definition

    "to buy or accept something and then feel deceived because it is not as good as you thought it would be"



  • #2266
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836255#Comment_119836255

    He was brought to court to force him to abide by the contract he had already signed.

    You can't have people manipulating share prices, signing contracts to buy something and then trying to crash the share price so you can buy it cheaper than your original agreement

    That's not how real life works

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2267
    Ramasun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    I think I'm going to miss the current nutters on Twitter because they'll just disappear in the noise when the floodgates open.



  • #2268
    lmao10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Nice post. Musk is in over his head isn't he.

    "Facts don't care about your feelings" always gets a laugh out of me too. Ben Shapiro used to say it... while dressed in a Jewish Rabbi outfit :)



  • #2269
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836318#Comment_119836318

    No floodgates are being opened.

    Don't get caught up by all the hysteria generated from a very vocal minority.



  • #2270
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836310#Comment_119836310

    Not sure I'd agree with that.

    Bezos is definitely business savvy.

    Having massive influence from their family in terms of seed money, contacts etc to help get them started is a common denominator however.



  • #2271
    Tonesjones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588666492572553216?s=20&t=8-2lU4EqF7AdiWTB-ifRZA


    Something that should be welcomed by all



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  • #2272
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836332#Comment_119836332

    The biology denialists will go purple with apoplexy after reading that.



  • #2273
    BruteStock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836298#Comment_119836298

    You're extremely confused. The lawsuit never went to trial. The judge gave both sides a deadline to come to an agreement , which they did. Therefore neither Musk nor Twitter ever went to court. This is a fact. This is a falsity - "He was literally brought to court to force him to buy it"

    And if it did go to court , Zatko was ready to testify on Musk behalf which would have allowed him walk without losing a penny due to the abundance of security issues.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/13/twitter-whistleblower-testimony-congress-peiter-zatko




  • #2274
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭Nermal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836264#Comment_119836264

    Such paternalistic, arrogant, busybody-ish drivel. By what right do you judge others as being 'brainwashed', 'conditioned' or 'disinformed'? Leave them alone to listen and speak how they wish, and do the same yourself.



  • #2275
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    One day after the "bloodshed" and everything is working fine.


    Kinda makes you think what those people did all day.



  • #2276
    bokale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836318#Comment_119836318

    It doesn't look like he is going to make any real changes to moderation.

    And I don't think he has lifted any permanent bans either? Could be wrong though.

    I have not followed him too closely over the years, any chance he has a habit of talking but not following through (unless legally required ha)



  • #2277
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836313#Comment_119836313

    You'll need to take your disagreement up with the good people at Merriam-Webster

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sell%20a%20pup#:~:text=Definition%20of%20sell%20a%20pup,buying%20something%20that%20is%20worthless

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2278
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836338#Comment_119836338

    🤣🤣🤣🤣

    This BS approach didn't work for Donald Trump, it's not going to work for you.

    Do you believe what you're posting, or just committed to it to own the libs?



  • #2279
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836340#Comment_119836340

    So are people who believe David Icke thinking clearly?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #2280
    McFly85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭McFly85


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836332#Comment_119836332

    It has never censored accurate information as far as I’m aware.



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  • #2281
    Tonesjones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836335#Comment_119836335

    I don't doubt for a split second that there are hundreds of people in the replies trying to scratch for some sort of wokey reason as to why factual information is a bad thing.

    Like the time when "maths is white supremacy" and when actual riots where people died and city blocks burned for days was "mostly peaceful"



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