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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Ofc and your paying for that protection to work. All I was saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Except it has no relevance to the analogy I was using



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If you want to work as a decent actor you have to pay. If you want to be a blue person on twitter you will also now have to pay. You can work as an actor and also tweet without being blue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Right but the issue is if people want to see what said actor is discussing then they need to go to the platform the actor is talking on. If that isn't twitter than twitter loses advertising revenue because advertisers see less people looking at their ads.


    Ientioned before I follow a lot of football analysts. If I get the same content elsewhere I will move there. Especially if it gets annoying with people impersonating others for a small fee. Nothing against Musk, I will go where the content I want is and I suspect many are the same for the people they follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    And that is compleatly fair and your choice. Are there any metrics showing Twitter haemorrhaging accounts I.E being closed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,766 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I'd say there was a huge number of new accounts created, some of them being closed again, over the last few days. They would all need to be filtered out for any meaningful data. It would be easier to track high-profile users and see how they're reacting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    well only 300 odd accounts crated the N word trend. Was not twitter as a whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,766 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Posts: 276 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s hard to know and it’s too soon to gauge it as not much has changed yet.

    Their biggest risk isn’t closed account. That’s just the door slamming protests, which probably won’t be a huge % of accounts.

    The bigger issue is the very active posters who might just stop engaging very much and drift away to various other platforms. I don’t mean just direct replacements like Mastodon or something like that. They’ll be people who might fire up Reddit or Instagram more and Twitter a lot less. These accounts are the content generators and incidental aggregators, who are finding, sorting and basically curating content every time they link and retweet, and they are worth following.

    If you put it into a Boards context, a relatively small number of very active posters probably provide a disproportionate % of the content generated here too. If the site suddenly decided to go mad and became flooded with various trolls with extreme views and highly confrontational people looking for fights, they might just not bother posting anymore.

    Twitter isn’t any different - it has to remain pleasant to use and be useful. It’s a platform of very loose communities made up of people following each other and bouncing stuff around. If you disrupt those accidentally, it’s inevitably going to drive a decline in activity that could result in a decline in quality, and then a decline in the whole platform.

    Having a million few million trolls, conspiracy theorists and diehard political accounts of various flavours all shouting at each other might seem liberating, entertaining and be interesting to watch from a distance, but it’s like asking end users to step into a pub brawl or a shark tank. Many will just start avoiding topics, avoiding posting and then you’ll have a ton of barley active accounts…

    You’re already seeing it with the ever growing pile on phenomenon on Twitter. One foot wrong, and an account can suddenly start getting vicious abuse. That’s already causing people to avoid certain topics entirely.

    It’s all too soon to to tell, but this is the internet. Platforms and services emerge, grow exponentially and then tend to wither and die. Nothing is as indispensable as we might imagine it to be when were too close to it to see the bigger picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    General Motors and L'Oreal are two I've seen having suspended advertisement on the platform.

    'So what' you might say. Well, L'Oreal are apparently one of the top 10 advertisers worldwide so that's a pretty big deal I reckon. And not only because of the money they won't be spending, but I'm betting a lot of the smaller fish in the advertising world are watching closely and could well take their lead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The whole $8 story really is such a misstep by Musk you'd wonder how he ever had whatever success he had.

    To be fighting such a battle a week in to owning the platform when so much of the conversation, from him as much as anyone, was about 'Free Speech' is 'fired on the second week of the Apprentice' territory.

    The only unsurprising thing is seeing all the people who begged him to buy the platform on the basis that he was going to bring back free speech now pivot to justifying his cock up.

    AOC summarized it perfectly.

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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s the classic god complex of someone who is successful believing they are infallible no matter what they turn their hand to



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you don’t have an example where reasonable (your word) comment from the right is being suppressed and hate from the left is not. Yet choose instead to attribute a view I didn’t express.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I agree, every one of those accounts should be nuked and reported to the police, so do you agree that these people should also have their accounts nuked for their incitement to violence?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,948 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Talk of 50% of staff getting let go today.

    That's some cull.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Davis Salmon Scumbag


    Any employee being kept on will be notified by email.

    There'll be plenty of F5-ing going on today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    California has a 'Warn' Law that if you have a company with over 75 staff, you have give 60 days notice of significant staff cuts to allow people to prepare.

    Musk did not do this, a law suit as been filed already apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Musk surely has a few memes that will smooth this over right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Is it only US employees that will be dumped? How many employees in ireland? There would be 3 month notice periods surely for employees in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Equality of opinion is a nonsense. Your opinion does not hold as much weight as everyone else on every subject. Claiming your opinion matters as much as an expert on a subject is frankly ridiculous.

    Also ridiculous is the idea that Twitter is silencing a certain political slant, or that they’ve been enemies of free speech. Free speech does not mean you have a right to be heard, it just means you won’t be thrown in prison for airing your views.

    If Twitter basically threw out their ToS in the name of absolute free speech it would be a worse place than it is right now. Anyone claiming absolute free speech is the ideal only does so to be allowed to debate or discuss in bad faith - to say whatever they want no matter how incendiary without a shred of evidence(e.g Hunter Bidens laptop).

    Going back to Musk, it really seems like he hasnt a clue what he’s doing. Talk of mass firings, ridiculously long work weeks and half-arsed monetisation policies. Could be the end of Twitter as we know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    On news just and Twitter employees told to stay home today and wait for an email concerning their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,253 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks to me like he knows what he's doing. He's going to make Twitter far leaner than it is now - more flexible, agile and responsive to the market.

    He knows that the 'libs' need his platform but also that there is the market on the right as well to be tapped.

    The outrage etc is just free publicity from people who are hopelessly reliant and addicted to Twitter and will basically pay whatever they are told to pay.

    He knows that.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He knows he overpaid by $25billion and needs to cut overheads and find new revenue streams to have any chance of the deal making any financial sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Stick to the knitting.

    An engineer and physics background of much success in state of the art technology has bought a website with a lot of issues that operates in a totally unrelated field for a lot of money.

    To much ego me thinks, and while he is a smart man he wasnt smart enough to realize that this was a terrible idea.

    I dont ever see him getting a ROI from this, and its going to become such a problem child for him that his other businesses will undoubtedly suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Agreed, he a very clever man. If Twitter is like most social media companies you will rafts of liberal lefty types sitting around drinking lattes and playing indoor mini golf dreaming up ways to block conservative opinions on their platform basically decimating free speech. Those days are over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    If he knew what he was doing he wouldnt have spooked advertisers in pulling their spend, he would have made less public changes.

    He has taken over and hit the nuclear button, he has overpaid and is going to have to manipulate the share price to get a return like we have seen from him in recent times in other areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,253 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This was always coming though.

    In a few years we'll all be paying if we want any access at all to social media platforms. It will be like an electricity bill.

    Did people really expect free access to millions of consumers to boost their profiles, make money, free exposure and a bonus 'blue tick' for nothing forever?

    If it wasn't Musk kicking it off it would be someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I love how the clamour for 'free speech' has now become 'equal speech' and people are pretending that was the case all along.

    What exactly is equal speech?

    I am in favour of freedom of speech with consequences: say whatever you like but don't get your knickers in a knot if you get called up on it because you are threatening people or posting factless drivel. There may well be legal consequences or you may be banned from whatever site or, God forbid, people may not want anything to do with you if you say stuff that is particularly hateful.

    The well has been poisoned enough in terms of disinformation so people should be held responsible when posting falsehoods and basing their arguments on them.

    As for Musk, he's free to do what he likes with his new toy, as the previous owners of Twitter were able to. I'm still interested in seeing how it plays out for him. He seems to be rattling the cage but from what I can tell, and I'm not a big Twitter user, the content being posted doesn't seem to have changed.

    Once things settle down and he actually begins to put his own moderation approach in place, I'll be wondering how much more 'equal' the speech on Twitter is and just what that entails. Actions speak louder than words and Musk loves to talk but his actions aren't always on the same wavelength.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Only if they have 3 months' notice in their contract, default is a month. Companies usually just pay you for that month and ask you not to come into the ofice.



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