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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes - and my verified account has coming up to 200,000 followers.

    And Panti Bliss' claim to produce content, all the while sending wordles, is just embarrassing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Cllr_Dermod_Fahy


    Love the new twitter. White House taking down their post claiming Biden is driving seniors payments way up after Twitter added context was something you'd never have seen previously.

    A bunch of lefty trolls spamming the N word to try claim racist language is everywhere now won't change my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    You're right, Twitter or Musk doesn't have a monopoly on discourse, so why are people getting their knickers in a twist over this?

    The truth is they know preaching on an established platform with established followers means that their views get more widely heard. Starting again is hard. And the reason they don't like Musk is not for some high minded reason but it's because he might change the platform so their posting doesn't get the amplification that they are used to and that people they don't like will have their platform again.

    Everything else around this is just noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Where does Twitter content come from so?


    They won't be 'starting again'. Anyone in that position with half a brain already has their Insta and TikTok up and running, and may well be finding they have more reach that Twitter now.


    Please stop making up stuff about 'lefty trolls'. The false flag narrative is just a little tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,949 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    so why are people getting their nickers in a twist over twitter banning people like trump?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Exactly, as a privately owned platform it was entitled to choose who to allow on it. It was entitled to ban Trump. There are lots of alternatives out there - each of which also entitled to ban him too.

    Those complaining now have the same motivation as those who complained about Trump being banned. They know Twitter has established political reach unlike any other platform. They know that non-extremists use it and they can engage and convert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    suddenly the same people who spouted the line that "twitter is a private company, can ban who it wants" are unhappy now that the same private company may unban who it wants also.

    Very funny to watch them squirm as they fear the new twitter stewardship may not be so heavily skewed in their favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Cllr_Dermod_Fahy


    It's not Twitters problem at all.

    If someone is pretending to be Stephen King and people believe them, that'll damage Kings repuation...wrongly obviously. I was watching BBC One Show last night and they were on about fake scams using celebrities images. Ann Hegerty was saying she was getting horrid abuse by people saying she scammed them.

    I don't think Twitter ever approached anyone asking to blue tick them. People approach Twitter to blue tick them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Cllr_Dermod_Fahy


    Twitter has moved beyond being a "private company". The power of twitter is enormous, same with Facebook. These are no longer just private companies. They have the ability to influence and change the course of human behaviour.

    Governments communicate with citizens via twitter/facebook. A lot of people use twitter for news, they don't read papers.

    Cambridge Analytica was blasted for interfering in the election in 2016 using algorithms. Do you think this behaviour should be allowed? There's nothing illegal happening.

    If Musk turns around tomorrow and banned every Democrat and started telling everyone Democrats are going to raise living costs, cut benefits, raise taxes like crazy while saying Republicans do the opposite, nothing illegal is said here. But it would almost certainly determine the winner of elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,949 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Nobody is squirming. It hasn't happened yet and it may never happen. Musk doesn't care about trump.



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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He makes a very good point.

    They could not stop saying, "...it's a private company, they can ban whoever they want".

    Hypocrisy to the very core.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Davis Salmon Scumbag


    Elon stifling free speech because AOC shellacked him repeatedly yesterday.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    But it hasn't moved beyond being a private company, that's why Musk was able to buy it.

    At least you recognize the issue though - it's the power of the platform and it's ability to influence. Those complaining most are effectively worried that their political opponents will be able to use Twitter again to gain influence. They don't want "the other side" to get the mic.

    As for whether big tech should have such an outsized influence on discourse, well that's a different conversation and one as old as the media itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,856 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    How is it hypocrisy? Nobody is saying Musk "can't" allow Trump back.

    Twitter = Private Company = Can ban who they like

    Twitter = Private Company = Can un-ban who they like

    Discussion about whether or not they should allow Trump back is entirely different, and at the time of his banning many were trying to use the argument that because he was President and Twitter is such a widely-used social media platform, that Twitter shouldn't have been allowed to ban him.

    Regardless, a lot of the discussion more so centers on whether Trump will come back even if he's allowed, considering it appears as though he has an agreement with Truth Social that he has to use it as his main social media and there has to be a minimum time-delay adhered to if he wants to post something on Twitter too. As such Trump has already claimed he's sticking with Truth Social instead of coming back to Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Cllr_Dermod_Fahy


    Those mad about the 8$ per month for a blue tick are only mad because the blue tick made them feel important and above the non blue tick peasants. When anyone can get a blue tick, their importance dwindles.

    The thing is, that the blue tick was only ever to verify that the person is who they claimed they were.

    Nothing has actually changed regarding that, only that Jonny Murphy can now verify he is actually Jonny Murphy and can get a blue tick.

    In fact, many celebrities were actually supporting needing to submit passport details to Twitter before, in cases of racism. This will actually help with that. I can see Twitter adding a function where your Twitter only shows content from blue ticks. This means you can exclude the trolls and fake accounts.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This entire thread is a screed against what's happening that private company.

    When said private company was doing and saying all the things the left liked, it was "...just a private company".

    When said private company is doing and saying things the same people now don't like, things just so happen take a 180 degree turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No it was a publicly traded company. Now it is a private company.

    He can do what he wants with it and if he wants to set the whole thing on fire he’s allowed and people are allowed to gawk.

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    If it was going great sure a whole heap of posters I’m sure you love would be here heaping praise on how well it was going. But instead the sole executive of Twitter is spending the day sharing memes and making himself look a fool pleading with one of the richest authors in the world for 8 dollars a month and sharing soy boy memes about the proposal and unbanning antisemitic accounts. Such a wonder advertisers are distancing.

    He could pull the whole thing out of the fire yet so watch this space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Which is effectively the same thing in this context.

    A company owned by one individual and one listed on the stock exchange are both private companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,856 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You're conflating people saying what Twitter can/can't do, and what they should/shouldn't do.

    Twitter can increase ads by 5x, require verification as standard for all users for $25, and ban your account unless you retweet every meme Musk tweets.

    That doesn't mean they should, or that people won't talk about what a bad decision that would be or the possible ramifications of that.

    Twitter has very often done things "the left" didn't like. People were calling for Twitter to ban Trump long before they actually did. Christ, the man was essentially threatening nuclear war with North Korea over Twitter. Then came the Covid misinformation. Then election fraud lies. But Twitter can let Trump on the site for as long as they wanted, because they were a private company. They did things like add warnings to some posts about Covid/Election and extended it to other public figures too, but "the left" were calling for him to be banned. Twitter didn't ban him at those points, because they could do what they wanted with their company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    One of the above actually has far more checks and balances on it. The SEC has nothing to do with a private company. Companies who advertised on Twitter who might also have owned stakes to stop Twitter from becoming a cesspit no longer have the option. Not readily anyway - Dorsey apparently is still going to hold a $1Bn private stake



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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Alright no need to be facetious. You understand the broader point perfectly well. The point stands; the hypocrisy exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The broader point is that your point was pointless. Nobody was arguing it isn’t a private company and Musk cannot light it on fire if he wants. He could have done that even without going private (well, the SEC would have questioned lighting so much money on fire, publicly traded companies have a mandate to be profitable)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,880 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So true, I mean the President of the US has a blue tick, as does 101 youtubers who sole input to the world is to tell us the new iphone is not the same as the last one, '' oh i'm so important, I need a blue tick to be like the president, I uploaded a youtube vid'' wtf

    Blue ticks are every where now, you see people with them who have put a few followers, their importance is very much self importance, I'd say only have blue ticks for businesses to verify themselves, and actually relevant people, and if they are relevant they'd have 1m plus followers



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nice to see AOC being taken down for her hypocrisy by Musk.

    AOC raking in the cash, all the while pretending to care about the poorest in society. Typical famous socialist. They all do it. It's a business for them, at the same time they complain about the 1%, they are raking in the donations and developing their business off the back of caring for the poor. It's enough to make you sick.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I'm not seeing this supposed hypocrisy in this thread anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,071 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Can't see the problem with the blue tick fee?


    Twitter is not profitable most of the time, if that doesn't change it goes wallop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,949 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    How dare she employ unionised labour at a living wage with full healthcare. I mean, your hero trump does the same thing. No wait, he employs sweatshop labour in asia to make his products like a good capitalist.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You completely ignored the prime substance of my post, instead opting to attack the most irrelevant flank with impunity.

    If you don't disagree with the rest of my post, then I'll have to assume you agree with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You were attacking her for being a socialist weren’t you and having a congressional budget to hire staff with right?

    Have no idea what it had to do with me. And it wasn’t news to anyone either (I think MisterAnarchy beat you to it on the thread). We were already discussing how Mr. Musks day consisted of memes and arguing with personalities to hand him over $8 after blowing $44,000,000,000

    If you don't disagree with the rest of my post, then I'll have to assume you agree with it.

    great policy to steer one’s self toward self delusions and arguing with themselves.



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