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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oh the humanity. We're being asked to voluntarily endure very mild inconvenience, infrequently, hypothetically...

    What ever shall we do.

    Btw, if there was no wind turbines at all Putin would have Europe by the short and curlies.

    Every new solar, wind and storage installation makes us more independent from tyrants like him and the Saudis.

    I think that's a good thing, don't you?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    why are you so worried about the Greens' opinion on nuclear? They'll be gone in the next election and were at 2% in latest polls. Why aren't you demanding your FF/SF/FG TDs get nuclear done?

    do SF have a plan to put nuclear in place when in power and if not why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    How many children were treated at the national children's hospital this year?

    What's the hospital even called?

    China threw hospitals together in a few weeks at the start of COVID. Dictatorships can get things done fast.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I really think it's the f**king snowflakery of people nowadays in rich countries like Ireland that will f*ck everything up. The mere thought of using less power, or reducing car journeys, or consuming less plastic rubbish at Halloween or Christmas has people livid with outrage.

    People are just too stupid to realise we can't carry on living as is indefinitely and that things are actually finite and need to be managed better. So much evidence of it in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    that is a f**king pathetic answer man, lol. Just Stop Oil are the reason the Irish government can't build nuclear.

    Zero sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ok I'll try again

    why are you so worried about the Greens' opinion on nuclear? They'll be gone in the next election and were at 2% in latest polls. Why aren't you demanding your FF/SF/FG TDs get nuclear done?

    do SF have a plan to put nuclear in place when in power and if not why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Yeah, you acknowledged it, and by 2025 its production will have fallen to 20% of supply, the energy shortages are a hard wall that are unavoidable now, with no gas storage buffer, and no LNG. The energy brief must be stripped from the current incumbent immediately and the remaining TDs must act in the interests of the people who elected them and NOT unaccountable institutions like the EU. This is the Irish government we are talking about where the buck stops nowhere.

    Editorial: A standalone ministry for energy would prove government takes issue seriously (subscription)

    This is only the start: Irish energy companies start registering the 'vulnerable' as 125,000 Electric Ireland customers in arrears

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    right you're just spewing nonsense now.

    If you want nuclear, demand it from SF FF FG, stop worrying about some insignificant party who'll be gone soon, and realise that Just Stop Oil do not influence governmental choices in Ireland. If that were the case well we wouldn't be using oil would we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You're just lying now. What art has been destroyed?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You're right. Oil companies have been spewing out anti renewable energy propaganda for decades now.

    Not sure you should call the anti renewables posters on here Lunatics though, might be considered uncivil

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The alternatives being promoted and pushed are NOT capable of filling the gap left by fossil fuels, while at the same time the fossil fuel supply is being constrained and run down through lack of investment, gas shortages are now the reality and this is reflected in the cost of electricity and heating. The consequent unemployment and lack of calories are not mild inconvenience.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The greens oppose infrastructure that they think is damaging, and support infrastructure they think is beneficial.

    But a nuclear power station would bring out all the objections from all walks of life.

    Nobody objected to the concept of a children's hospital. Almost everyone is in favour of building it. Where is the hospital and what is its name?

    Is it the greens fault that it's nowhere near being completed?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I know! So why don't we have nuclear already or at least why don't FF FG SF have plans to get it going ASAP? Surely the onus should be on those with all the numbers in the Dail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    do you not think climate change is going to cause serious lack of calories with crop failures and food shortages worldwide? it's already happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    green movements are seriously fcuking up in regards nuclear, its clearly obvious, creating purely renewable energy systems is highly dangerous and risky, alternative sources, in particular nuclear, is required to provide our future energy needs, along side renewables, as pure renewable systems alone just wont work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there's opposition to everything in politics though - so you think the 2% Green party are the reason we're not getting nuclear in Ireland?

    how come the cow herd hasn't been cut, they want that too don't they? why aren't cars completely banned from city centres?

    why aren't the 98% parties getting nuclear done? just because of opposition from a tiny party no one cares about?

    surely that can't be the reason?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ireland in general is actually strongly opposed to nuclear, its not just green movements, this has been historically so, and understandable to, events such as chernobyl has left its mark on many european nations, including ireland, but i suspect this is changing now, as the reality of not having it as a part of our energy systems, is slowly becoming real



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ireland uses nuclear power right now. Not opposed to Nuclear being part of the EU mix, just being realistic that it would take decades to build one in Ireland

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So if we live in a democracy that sees through the green bullshit why aren't we getting nuclear done??? You just said it wasn't being done because of the Green bullshit! Make up your mind!!!

    And what have Just Stop Oil got to do with anything!?

    Are you purposely acting like a simpleton?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It is not. Weather attribution ambulance chasing stories are not evidence of climate change. The actual case study is one done under climate policies Sri Lanka where the government banned the use of fertiliser, food production fell quickly. Nothing to do with climate, Venezuela actually has oil but has mismanaged its resources so badly, that production collapsed, the people starved and have been flooding across the borders of Brazil and the United States. War and bad economic policies are the drivers of calorie shortages.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    According to other posters the reason we don't have nuclear is because of the Green Party being in power for 5 minutes, and Just Stop Oil spraying paintings in London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Still lying about 'destroyed art' I see

    But I'd consider the great barrier reef more valuable than a painting

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The long hot summer and droughts in Europe have already affected the price of food and caused crops to fail. This is only going to get worse and worse. Obviously I'm wasting my time talking to someone who quotes clintel.org lol.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The worst part is the claim that Just Stop Oil destroying art is the reason we wont get nuclear in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we do indeed, and more is on the way in the form of the france ireland interconnect, i.e. to circumvent the reality of requiring nuclear, we have decided to effectively outsource the risks involved, but its important to realise, one of the main causes of our current inflationary pressures is our over reliance to international energy markets, in particular fossil fuel markets. the only way to safe guard from such future events, we must become more self sufficient in meeting our own energy needs, and renewables alone wont cut it, leaving nuclear the only option, this now is a serious treat to our economy, and the overall well being of our society, i.e. its time for us to begin accepting this reality, as its very likely energy market volatility is here to stay, by remaining in this venerable position, we place our economy, and our society at large, in great danger due to these exposures.....

    movements preventing this reality, including green movements, are in fact wrong, yes there are inherent dangers in creating such systems, but the dangers of not doing so, far exceed doing so....

    yes, it takes many years, if not decades, to create a nuclear industry, but this is exactly what we need to do, i.e. we must start planning long term, well beyond our lives, and on island nuclear must be a part of that, to provide future generations with their most critical of needs

    this is of course must be done in conjunction with the roll out of renewables, and it seems off shore wind is ultimately our most viable option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    You just pointed me to an ambulance chasing story, what caused the 1952 drought in Italy? The story does say worst in 70 years, so while rare it is not an unheard of occurrence for that regions climate. The drought is also compounded by the price of gas, which impacts the price of and production of fertiliser. You cannot make the case that climate change is causing these droughts - I challenge you to go on the record and predict the weather conditions and subsequent crop yields for each one of the next five years. You won't be able to, you are like the fortune teller who shows up after someone has won the lottery with random numbers and says told you so. . .

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you're the one talking about all that Green cult nonsense - I'm asking you why this nuclear panacea isn't being built in Ireland and you're going on about cultists destroying art



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ok well I hope you're right, because despite the opinion of weather experts on the boards weather forum like yourself, the actual climate scientific community says otherwise, it seems you know better though so that's great news. We should carry on worldwide business as usual and not mitigate for anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, it's about 8 years from construction start to switch on of the first reactor if there are hiccups and delays. The vast majority of reactors on the planet were commissioned within ten years of construction start. Complete nonsense, as usual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    so anyway enjoy reading about Nukegate

    Original plan: 9.8 billion dollars,

    contract, 2008

    break ground, 2013

    by 2017 the project had exploded to $25Bn and was a hole in the ground and a bunch of crap that could not meet its hard deadline of 2020

    Company bankrupted

    ratepayers holding the bag

    A handful of fools jailed


    And that was an optimistic project: advanced reactor! Modular construction! First new nuke in 30 years! Etc. and it might have set the US back another 30.

    But that’s what I’d expect when good old boys have been running this state into the ground for forever.




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