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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    About right.

    Call out any conservative for racism though and that's a paddlin.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trevor's take on the latest contestant on the gameshow - esp. the backlash.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This professor reckons Sunak's government will be a very right wing one and scarcely any different to recent Tory incarnations, even if Sunak is a little more slick and polished.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Love the way he glosses over SA history. White farmers anyone ? And you will find it's the left normally losing it with Rishi POC not towing the left line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,191 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I can't see the video. ("The uploader has not made this video available in your country.") What does Noah say about South Africa and how does he link it to the election of a British Asian Prime Minister in the UK?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I can't see it either. Not great since the video was just dumped here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,078 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    youtube link seems to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOI--lP8bVI


    Noah's spiel was whites get worried when non-white get into power because they're worried the non-whites will do to them what was done to them by the whites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,757 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Visa and 'economic migration' are treated differently to asylum seekers for lots of reasons.

    Asylum seekers are fleeing persecution or war.

    Do you have any empathy at all for these people?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I don't see a particular "backlash" towards Sunak because he's Indian origin at all. His wealth, out-of-touchness and other typical Tory things yes, his race not particularly.

    That's something Noah made up in this own head because he had a monologue to write (more likely writer for him).

    The UK is one of the most tolerant societies on the planet.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You aren't wrong about the range of things that Sunak has been called out on , but there is also no question that people have been calling out his origins as part of their moaning.

    I posted a link to comments in the Telegraph about him being described as "devoid of English Character" and there is also the clip doing the rounds of a Tory party member on a Radio show ranting about how he couldn't be PM because he wasn't really English.

    The UK "tolerance" is a little different , they are happy and comfortable to have "different" people around , but significantly less happy having them in charge.

    See the whole reason for Brexit as an example.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "People are saying they're taking over, Indians are going to take over the UK..." (because of Sunaks appointment to PM)

    I cannot believe people listen to that guy when this is the kind of nonsense he comes up with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd expect no more sensible a reply from someone who admires a political party which basically exists to ensure that those whose (inherited) wealth was derived from colonial plunder, exploitation and the slave trade (or more recently, plain and simple corruption).

    Expecting Britain to live up to it's moral obligation to help refugees is not a punishment, in fact, as we've already seen from the effects of Brexit, the country (and it's health service in particular) is heavily dependent on immigration.

    I'm glad you can see that collective punishment is something to be considered a crime today. No doubt that view will change in a few months time when Sunak punishes the collective population of the UK via austerity in order to avoid taxing the privileged "elite" he represents properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    First of all, Albanian asylum seekers are still only a fraction of the nationalities that make up all of the asylum seekers that come across the channel every year

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    So the Spectator's spin that 'half of asylum seekers are Albanians is just a complete distortion, pure sophistry.

    Secondly, the increase in Albanians happened in 2022. This year. What's your excuse for all the racism and anti immigrant sentiment in 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018.....

    Thirdly, the increase in albanian asylum seekers is related to criminal activity, including drug smuggling and people trafficking. The police are failing to do their jobs. Rather than impose a ridiculously cruel and expensive collective punishment on thousands of asylum seekers. The UK should investigate the crimes and break up the gangs. Focusing on asylum seekers is just the Tories doing what they always do. Deflecting blame from their own corruption and failures onto a weak powerless scapegoat.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'm fully aware there have been racial comments on the margins, but they are definatively marginal. The context of his racial background and ascent to PM has been far more celebrated than not.

    It's all a bit tone-deaf from Noah given that people like Sunak's family were exiled from East Africa after independence.

    I dunno, there's an element of racial hucksterism in Noah's monologue.

    How racist can the UK be if within one generation an immigrant cohort can go from arriving with the clothes on their back to producing a PM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,031 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Why? You're just as bad talking about "invasions" of immigrants crossing the channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,191 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    There has been overtly racist backlash to the appointment of Sunak, but it is pretty much at the margins. Even racists recognise that being openly racist tends not to aid their cause.

    But that, of course, gives rise to a suspicion that some of the opposition to Sunak, while not overtly racist, is nevertheless motivated by covert racism. It's not a wholly unreasonable suspicion, but it's also one that's very hard to verify or refute.

    It has to be acknowledged that the UK now has a Hindu Prime Minister, a Black Foreign Secretary and a Muslim Mayor of London. That would have been unthinkable a generation ago, and it's testament to the multicultural nature of modern British society.

    At the same time, it doesn't mean that there are no racial barriers in the UK; just that racial barriers are more surmountable than they used to be. It's been pointed out, only half-jokingly, that to get to where he is today, Sunak has had to repeatedly justify why he should be selected over obviously less-qualified white candidates (and indeed its only a few weeks since he lost out to an obviously less-qualified white candidate). It has also been pointed out that for many years he has begun many of his speeches with expressions of gratitude for all that the UK has done for him, the opportunities it affords him, and how fortunate he considers himself to be British. This is routinely expected of ethnic minority politicians in the UK in a way that it is not expected of white politicians. It's as if white voters - not all of them, of course, but enough of them to be an issue - require reassurance that an ethnic minority candidate won't be critical, won't be a threat to their conception of "Britishness".



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Racial hucksterism is right. It's about dividing people up and pitting them against one another. In his case, he's a professional mouthpiece for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    "Sunak has had to repeatedly justify why he should be selected over obviously less-qualified white candidates."

    Has he really? Sunak has lived a pretty charmed political life. He has been pushed up the system and the path cleared for him. Standard public school boy to Oxbridge to Westminster to Cabinet and now PM path - except accelerated really. He's the youngest PM in hundreds of years. Doesn't really sound like he's had to get his elbows out to overcome much prejudice do you?

    My broader point is this: I'm not saying that there is no racism in the UK, I'm saying it's among the least racist societies on earth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,191 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Do I have to point out that Just last month Sunak lost out in a competition in which the other candidate was Liz Truss? 😀



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They're also happy to be able to pretend to be beating "the left" at their own game. Once that novelty wears off, however it's back to the day's regularly scheduled racist programming.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567



    Yes, very little backlash, if any , over his ethnicity. I've been in the UK now for most of the last year. Indian hindus tend to be middle class and prosperous, live in the nice areas amongst the middle classes. Integrated well into UK society over the last 45-50 years. Yes, certainly the excess wealth issue.

    Just speaking to a few Tory friends and acquaintances. The feeling I am getting is that if Braverman can do what no other politician has ever been able to do, stem illegal immigration, then the Tories will rise back in the polls, but not enough to lose power. Maybe that's why Sunak kept her. A stable next 2 years will also help, but what is stable these days?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is a crucial point. He's the wealthiest man to ever have sat in the House of Commons. Your average working class Indian has as much in common with him as I do with Jacob Rees-Mogg. We see Tories playing the race card relentlessly so they can dodge questions about inequality and class.

    As for being among the least racist societies on earth, I'll believe that when I see proof.

    Remember this?

    image.png

    That was the same day Batwick & Spen MP Jo Cox was murdered.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,191 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Mmm. This isn't helping, Cal. It's kind of hard to avoid thinking that much of the hysteria fomented in the UK about "illegal immigration" is basically grounded in racism, and/or is exploited by racists. If this is the Tories' strategy for success and you're telling us you think it might work, that's not exactly dispelling any notion that racism is a significant factor in UK politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    There does seem to be a path in the UK for Asian, black, ethnic people to reach high political office. Now maybe that path involves being quite wealthy and going to the correct school etc, which obviously isn't ideal. But the path does at least exist. And the next time Labour is the governing party there will clearly be quite a mix in their cabinet as well, and afaik these will be minorities that are from a more working class background.

    This does seem in contrast to the politics of the likes of France, Italy, Germany where the pen-pics and background of the current cabinet is a sea of white faces. Perhaps Germany can be given a pass as they didn't have a big empire so immigration has only recently started. France and Italy, despite their large immigrant populations seem to have minimal representation at government level.

    Spain actually seems somewhat similar to the UK, as children of (South/Central America) immigrants appear able to progress in politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    Yes, amongst the Tory faithful, it will work. What the Tories need now and there won't be an election for at least 2 years despite all the noises to the contrary, is a period of stability. Will they get that, though? At best they can end up with a hung parliament, which I see as the most likely outcome, despite the polls now. Labour losing those sets in Scotland have been hard to replicate in England. Those Scottish Labour seats used to be used to be as sure as Tory seats in the shires.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's a glaring flaw in your argument though. Actually stopping illegal migration means creating sensible legal paths towards asylum and the Tories will never do that. It's too politically toxic for the racist element of their base.

    Even if they were to, there's a bigger problem. Bringing illegal migration to zero robs them of a useful scapegoat, more necessary than ever since the EU lost its utility to them. Luckily for them, the UK's racists are more than happy to settle for tough words time and time again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Do you mean like calling someone a pillarbox because of the clothes they wear? Or like calling someone a bank robber because of the clothes they wear? Or like using calling gay men "bum boys"? etc.

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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolute nonsense.

    First of all, a looney LBC caller and a handful of 85-year olds who cling to imperial ideas of Britishness does not an argument make when you're smearing an entire country as racist to the core. If anything, the ridiculous fringe examples you cite are proof positive that the UK could not possibly be more tolerant. I mean, even Sunak making it to the top isn't good enough for you. There'll always, always, always be fringe examples of dislike or discomfort in every single walk of life. It's almost human nature. It doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean you and others can hijack those tiny numbers of fringe exceptions to justify the broad and extreme position that there's an inherent racist core to the UK that is manifesting in some bizarre "backlash" against Sunak.

    It's beyond ridiculous at this stage.

    Racism is actually fuelled by the rhetoric that you and others deploy. By trying to find some almost "hidden agenda" in absolutely everyone's motives, it will inevitably cause more division. It's a combination of conspiracy theory and pushing the far-left ideas of intersectionalism and other similar nonsense that seeks to divide at every possible level.

    I'm unsure how that's germane to the discussion at play?



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