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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭boardise



    Just like a certain notorious Charles Haughey ...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,542 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The man is lazy and did as little for the people that he could while PM. Pretty much anything he did, he did for is own selfish interest. He allowed thousands to die while he partied. He lied to pretty much everyone: the queen, parliament, the public... He is bereft of any morals and completely unfit to be any kind of leader.

    That you wish his return says loads about your moral compass.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funny, from his leaving speech.

    "And I will now be gently re-entering the atmosphere and splashing down invisibly in some remote and obscure corner of the pacific."

    And like Cincinnatus I am returning to my plough."

    Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson thinks he's coming back, baby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    I don't think either party is guaranteed to keep their MPs from the Summer. The people that voted in the first round will be counted on as really believing that Sunak and Mordaunt should be PM. Thats 88 and 67.


    For the record in the 5th round Truss got 113 MPs. In the first she had 50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What are you talking about? While it's true that Truss was left a steaming pile of **** in her in-tray by her predecessor that's not why she's out. It was her mini budget that precipitated her downfall and that was her creation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭boardise


    Granting that the first-past-the-post electoral system is an abomination -it is absurd in my view that members would have a decisive say -in fact any say , in choosing a PM. They have had their input together with the whole electorate in the general election. Representative democracy means that the elected MPs represent the generality of those who wish a particular party grouping to exercise power.

    The MPs interact with the candidates up close in a parliamentary and administrative setting. No one is better placed to assess the calibre of potential leaders than the MPs. Members have far too narrow a focus to make an intelligent choice . Their choice of a hollow nonentity like the hapless Truss clearly shows this. Should not be allowed to happen again.

    Anyone even mentioning the possibility of Johnson returning must be borderline moronic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,820 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I could see that picture of the queen on her own mourning Phillip resurfacing with extra poignancy. Still, having BoJo back might be just the final shock the UK needs to get rid of the Tories for a good long while. Ideally, he'd make it through the Winter so they can't blame it on the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I don't get it, the representatives picked sunak, the non representative collection of 300k members picked truss. Who could have ever imagined that this non democratic process would fall apart?! What a shocker!

    She basically just lied and won and now they will implement his policy. It's absolutely ridiculous, he must have been getting above his station. Needed taking down a peg.


    When is Rory stewart coming back to find the soul of the party?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Taliyah Little Gnu


    I can’t understand how someone has a job less than 2 months & is immediately entitled to a massive pension.



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  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Taliyah Little Gnu


    It doesn’t matter if they hold onto it or denounce it it’s done. They can’t at this stage change their minds. It’s confusing Brexit is still sometimes talked about as if it can still be undone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,791 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's not a pension; it's an allowance for costs incurred in performing public duties. In order to claim it, you do actually have to perform the duties and incur the costs. It covers things like running an office, paying advisers, transport/security for events you attend, that kind of thing. It's a soft deal, but you can't actually trouser the cash.

    There is a separate pension for people who have served as prime minister (or any other kind of minister). It's related to length of service, so the amount of pension that Truss will qualify for for serving as PM for, what, seven weeks will be tiny. She'll also get pension for her service as Foreign Secretary, Justice Secretary. etc; these will be bigger because she was in office longer, but still not very big. Basically, a ministerial pension in the UK is 1.775% of salary for each year of service. Truss has been in one ministerial office or another for about 10 years, so she'll get about 17.75% of a ministerial salary by way of pension (on top of her MP's pension). None of these pensions will be paid until she reaches age 67, which won't be for another 20 years.

    In the meantime, she'll have to struggle by on an MP's salary, assuming she remains in the Commons, and a free office and secretarial support, etc.



  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can't believe I'm going to say this but they should bring back May now that she wouldn't have all of Brexit and the DUP to deal with. She made mistakes but compared to everyone else, at least she seems to genuinely care for more than just herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Boris is flying back from a Carribbean holiday to retake No 10.

    That line pretty much sums up Johnsons career and British politics at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,820 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Og0oO67.jpeg

    They need a leader who projects strength, not weakness...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Boris is a Rodeo Clown, a serial philanderer, a man without convictions or scruples and a documented bully. A target of Russian kompromat also because he can't keep his c*ck in his pants.

    More interested in prattling on about Peppa Pig and model buses than actual policy to better his nation.

    If Boris returns, get the plywood ready to shut up shop on the UK altogether. Broken country, yesterday's country. Write your goodbye letters to Scotland.

    Wouldn't put it past the Tory movement to bring him back - they've proven themselves to be a conflagration of morons intent on setting fire to what once was a country of consequence many years ago - and think that burning it to ground will somehow restore it to greatness.

    Idiots to a man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not sure that they're idiots. They're just cunts and they're supported by cunts.

    Personally, I am completely unsurprised at how everything has ended up under the Tories. What everyone has seen with this last budget is simply Tory policy. They don't give a fuck and it can be argued that they haven't given a fuck since the days of Thatcher. It comes as no shock to me at all that in the days when people are needing to go to food banks in a first world country so they can feed their families and kids are turning up to school with empty, rolling, bellies and folk are facing a winter of frightening bills, that the Tories saw fit to channel yet more wealth upwards.

    As for Johnson coming back, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if that were to happen either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,968 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I can't wait to see Charlie and Bojo shaking hands! It should be a life lesson to any Frank Grimes out there, lifes a game and there are no rules! 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,775 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just wait till Boris gets an invite to go to space on Bezos' dick rocket.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Right,

    So your mental merry-go-round has you back to loving Boris again has it?

    When he was sacked you said it was a great day for the Tory party.

    Then you told us Truss would be a disaster , and to be fair you were right (but , stopped clock and all that)

    Then you told us that Truss was great and her budget was brilliant.

    Then you told us she was shite and the Tories needed to go.

    And now we're back to "Boris was done wrong" and he should be PM again.

    Good lord man , step away and take some time to pick a position and see if you can stick with it for more than 5 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,820 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    @Quin_Dub You're going to scare him off again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Staleturnips


    Boris has his staunch supporters both within Westminster and on the streets, that is easy to understand and if not agreeable, regrettably, it must be accepted.

    However, what I don't understand is how could his return justified?

    He was forced to resigned, unwillingly, for several serious reasons. With Boris being Boris those issues must have been insurmountable to convince him to resign. So how now are those issues brushed underneath the carpet to pave the way for his return?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    The Tory party has an archaic system of voting that effectively means "royal Britannia" types with beige carpet and brown settees who drink warm ale and have been enjoying saga holidays for many years, make the decision.

    They will not choose a progressive "brown" boy over one of their own.

    And that means there is a strong likelihood of Johnson getting back in and a potential split in the party



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Boris was forced to resign for one reason and one reason only - He was costing the Tory party votes.

    They couldn't give a damn about his behaviour , they care about their positions of power.

    They were blown out in the local elections and a couple of by-elections so the decision was made that he was an election liability, simple as that.

    Under Boris , the Tory boat had sprung a major voting leak but probably two thirds of the MP's would have fancied their chances of holding their seats.

    Now though after Truss it more likely that two thirds of them are odds on to lose their seats.

    How any of them think he is no longer the same election liability or that he would be the person to stop the electoral bleeding is beyond me.

    Post edited by Quin_Dub on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    I can't see Boris getting the job again as he was a complete disaster. It has to be Rishis to lose at this stage.

    But, if oul Bojo did get in who the hell would he have on his cabinet?! They fled like rats the moment they realised they were on a sinking ship last time out.

    Boris back in would guarantee Labour in the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,334 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Desperately clinging to power, refusing to hold a GE to let the public decide, having yet another leadership contest to find another unelected PM, and ending up that person being Boris Johnson less than two months after he was forced out in disgrace is probably about the most Tory thing that could happen right now. It's going to happen isn't it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Labour are winning the next Election - There is no doubt about that.

    There's nothing that either Party can do to save the British economy from the destruction caused by Brexit and as the party in power for its planning and implementation , the Tories are going to pay for that.

    Anything that the Tories are doing is exclusively about damage limitation.

    If the Election happens anytime in the immediate future the Tories are losing 250+ seats.

    The idea of a new leader would be to try and pull those losses back closer to 100 seats by the time that they are forced to have an election.

    That's all this is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Any normal voting system would mean he had no chance - but the tory system of giving all the power to the very right wing, cigar puffing bunch on old men who think that Indian boys should be polishing the shoes of bankers and stockbrokers, means Johnston very possibly will return



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