BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

Akrasia · 20-10-2022 06:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771419#Comment_119771419

He shouldn't have the time. He's still an MP. He shouldn't be on holiday while parliament is in session.

All of his constituents are unrepresented while he's off on holidays (not that they were properly represented in the first place)

Strazdas · 20-10-2022 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771830#Comment_119771830

Political analyst on RTE Six One was saying this - she thinks the PM could be decided by as soon as Monday evening.

Akrasia · 20-10-2022 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771622#Comment_119771622

I suppose the 3rd worst ever PM is better than the 2nd worst ever PM

Akrasia · 20-10-2022 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771670#Comment_119771670

Unless it's a Facebook poll half of the voters won't be able to figure out how to sign in to vote

Brussels Sprout · 20-10-2022 06:52PM

I can only imagine the behind the scenes activity that has been kicked off today and will be relentlessly going on until Monday morning.

I think the strategy at this point will be for Sunak and Mordaunt to try and get more than 258 nominations between them so as to deny Johnson any mathematical chance of reaching 100 himself.

20-10-2022 06:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771852#Comment_119771852

The 2nd worst died in the chair…so doesn’t really count

Igotadose · 20-10-2022 06:57PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did any legislation get passed while Truss was PM? The collapse was largely due to the mini-budget, which didn't go into effect, did it? Or did parts of it go into effect that no-one objected to? Basically, she showed to the Torys what she would do, and they freaked.

Because it seems like Truss got booted because of appearances, not actions. Unlike BoJo who did all sorts of things and whose government enacted all kinds of zany legislation (pint symbols, crowns, vicious anti-asylum seekers regulations, ...)

20-10-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771953#Comment_119771953

her ideas alone were enough to send UK borrowing costs through the roof, with a real impact on everyone’s wallet

boris never had the detrimental impact in such a short time as truss did

Igotadose · 20-10-2022 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771961#Comment_119771961

Again, just appearances though. No actual actions?

What a fragile system imo. Maybe the Tory's are just dead, Bojo sucked the life out of them and they simply freak out whenever there's anything bad that can be attributed to them. I don't know, I don't understand how the mini-budget could crash the gilt yields and spike mortgage rates so quickly, when nothing actually happened.

Strange. Not a stable place, the UK.

Headshot · 20-10-2022 07:04PM

This is what House of Cards should of been

VinLieger · 20-10-2022 07:05PM

I wouldnt put it past Cruella trying to muddy the waters in a narcisistic effort to get herself elected leading to all sorts of chaos behind the scenes. She is obssessed with being PM and this will likely be her only chance.

Leroy42 · 20-10-2022 07:05PM

She was booted out because of lack of any ability. She failed at everything she tried. The mini-budget was never passed but it was enough to show how reckless and clueless she was.

I repeat again. It was nothing to do with the drop in the tax rate or any other measure. It was the complete lack of detail, any discernable plan. All she could say was that she was right, and she embraced chaos. Sounds great, but not much good if you have a mortgage to pay.

As soon as she u-turned the 1st time she was done. Firing Kwasi was really her last hopem but instead of steadying her role, she was forced to take Hunt as CX which everyone could see had almost the opposite plans to Truss.

Her lack of ability to give a good speech, her lack of ability to show leadership certainly didn't help, but TM wasn't exactly Obama either but she at least had some level of competence.

Overheal · 20-10-2022 07:06PM

Oh Lordy there are tapes

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1583155998503510016?s=20&t=mhsgWcxuOvmE3CmNFp3Lig

20-10-2022 07:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771976#Comment_119771976

Saying you’re doing to do something gets a reaction. And everything is overly sensitive because of global factors. Would be the exact same if Ireland announced something crazy with its fiscal policy. Sovereign borrowing costs aren’t just appearances. They are real and impact everyone. And they’ve only stabilised because of her u-turns and her expected (now actual) departure

Igotadose · 20-10-2022 07:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771995#Comment_119771995

Ahh FFS. Kudlow.

Now he can wreck the UK (even worse). won't he just do something useful, like die, already? Being wrong sooo often and sooo dramatically, with so much access to important powerful people...

Igotadose · 20-10-2022 07:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771988#Comment_119771988

But, was any of this surprising? She's always looked like a deer in the headlights when in front of cameras, and her speechmaking was laughable. Teresa May looks like Churchill in comparison. And, geeze, barely a month in office and already deemed disastrous and a complete failure with no prayer.

I think she got an extra helping of s**t due to being a woman. But, she's gone and it's next loser up. Be interesting if it's Sunak, one of his first things will likely be to ditch Hunt. Heck, Hunt should throw his hat into the ring.

Danzy · 20-10-2022 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766875#Comment_119766875

Immigration was the last libertarian Stance left to Truss and Braverman sounded like a Trade unionist concerned about the reserve army of labour.

Overheal · 20-10-2022 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119772016#Comment_119772016

But, was any of this surprising? She's always looked like a deer in the headlights when in front of cameras, and her speechmaking was laughable.

I only saw her getting shouted down at Parliament the other day, she reminded me in voice and tone of Jen from the IT Crowd.

Fitting that she's shouted for the Taxi.

Muahahaha · 20-10-2022 07:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771830#Comment_119771830

yeah I think you are right. The 1922 Committee have set the bar at 100 nominations and the speculation is that they've engineered this to ensure Boris cant get on the ballot. And also to give the impression the Tory party members have a vote but if its a 3 horse race theres talk of the second placed candidate in the first round just stepping aside for the winner to be crowned PM in order to avoid the party members having a say.

Spanish Eyes · 20-10-2022 07:33PM

Seems that the 1922 Committee can decide what it likes regarding Leadership/PM voting. Some democracy that, deciding on the Prime Minister time after time with no electoral input, and changing the rules willy nilly.

Johnson is the cat among the pigeons. Remind me again why he was kicked out?

Brief_Lives · 20-10-2022 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119772100#Comment_119772100

knock yourself out... end ejoy..

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62070422

Furze99 · 20-10-2022 07:53PM

Yes I know it's kinda important and will have an effect on us too but you have to admit that it's one hell of a glorious soap opera. The thought that Boris could get back is so bizarre yet possible.

Who on earth wants the poison chalice now? The crevasses opened by Brexit are so gaping in the Tories now that they'll struggle mightily to keep the various factions under control.

Maybe Charlie will ride to the rescue yet and whilst not compelling them but quietly insisting that must go to the country. Let the cards fall then and if out of power as most likely, then split as desired, reform and rebuild.

flazio · 20-10-2022 08:00PM

Nobody in the media suggesting the King will play a role here. They are all expecting him to just invite whoever turns up to the palace to form a Government in his name.

Truss never even managed to write a State Opening of Parliament speech for him.

Loafing Oaf · 20-10-2022 08:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771830#Comment_119771830

If you are Mordaunt or Johnson running second to Sunak among MPs why would you drop out? You'd almost certainly be the favourite to win among members.

Spanish Eyes · 20-10-2022 08:08PM

The ERG/right wing group have been full on running things but are not compatible with centre right, and never were. Brexit has resulted in leaders and ministers being appointed not because of their ability and intellect, but based on their guaranteed support of Brexit policy. Thus the Tories have had less than stellar performers, based on support for Brexit rather than support for the country's needs and with no regard or cognisance of the candidate's overall abilities.

The ERG should be a party of its own, but as we all know they would be non entities under FPTP.

Yurt2 · 20-10-2022 08:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119772213#Comment_119772213

They're hardly going to ballot the rank-and-file Tory membership in a week are they?

20-10-2022 08:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119772213#Comment_119772213

Because there’ll be another MPs vote when there are only two left. They didn’t have that last time. And then if the loser doesn’t drop out they’ll go to the members with a clear message saying that this is what the MPs want. If members then go against that, they’ll have the message that they risk two years of the same as what we’ve just seen. And will also put huge pressure on the 2nd place person to drop out or ruin the party

i don’t think we’ll see Sunak and Mordaunt going head to head if they’re the last ones left. One will drop out. They’re sensible. But if one of the last two is an ERG candidate like Braverman, there’s no way they’ll drop out

i don’t think Boris will figure

i think every effort will be made to make sure this doesn’t go to the membership

Spanish Eyes · 20-10-2022 08:24PM

Johnson leading the field in Guido Fawkes. He has to get 100 though, is that likely? There seems to be a head of steam pushing for support for him from what I'm reading here and there.

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/