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Selling Cattle direct to a feedlot

  • 16-10-2022 09:39PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭


    I have a few bullocks 500 to 550 kgs, whiteheads and AA nearly finished but would need meal in the shed to finish. They are not that growthy and are in good condition at the moment


    Would any feedlots etc be interested at a set price per kilo, heard before about someone up near Meath buying them. I'm in the midlands


    What price per kilo would they make?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Are you lockup or sumin?? If not take them to the mart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Tomjim


    I suppose you could be right.


    I thought though if I brought them to mart they would lose 30 kg but if weighed in yard, would be a smaller loss?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Most people buying cattle didn't come down in the last shower! The price will be agreed, the cattle will be loaded and they will be weighed at their destination with empty bellies. No one in their right mind would pay €/fresh weight kg.

    Take them to the mart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I used to show cattle years ago and the only way to keep their gut full before travelling to a show (or in this case a mart) is to feed them hay for two to three days before travelling. They don't empty out as fast on hay as they do on silage or grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Locked up here and overstocked…. Considering selling a few Weanling bulls as I don’t have space for them all. Any recommendations for me from anyone who has done it before? These are good continental cattle, dosed and vaccinated… approx 400kg and not squeezed. what could I expect euro/kg? can anyone recommend a good Munster buyer for them who would give me a decent price? PM me if you prefer not to say names. Thanks a lot



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭DukeCaboom


    Ring the dept they'll have the list. Not many in cork now only 4 I can think off the top of my head. The dept got rid of about a dozen of them I think the paper work on their side was just too much. It was micky mouse after micky mouse excuse they gave lads when they took then off them.

    You'd to have all your land in one block, you'd to have a certain amount of reactors every year. You couldn't have cull cows that were calving all absolute rubbish stuff made up by pen pushers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭50HX


    Is it a must to go this route, you'll get royally roded on price.

    How many are you talking about, could you sacrifice a paddock? Wire it well & feed them outside

    Anything but feed lot imo when locked up they have you in a corner price wise

    Mauty in Gortatlea would have feedlots fir you & they would be weighed there for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    having to feed them until almost May at the best outcome and having to squeeze them as well as having all the cows calving…. Being able to shift them for some money feels like a weight off my shoulders to be honest. I didn’t think of talking to my mart manager so that’s worth a shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I think the kepack farm in Clonee takes them, they used to advertise in the back of the machinery supplement on the journal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭DukeCaboom


    Ya mauty is the only feedlot left on kerry AFAIK but that's a good idea to ring him after Christmas he'd help you out no bother.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    there’s a couple of ads in the journal alright that take them - but you would say a couple of hours journey would take a bit of weight off them, especially if they are not weighed until arrival at new holding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭DukeCaboom


    Mauty actually send cattle up to one of those feedlots in laois so handy get out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    how does it work with Mauty? You send them down to Gortalea and he takes care of the rest? Any idea Duke what a rough euro/kg to expect? Would you get more than 2?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭DukeCaboom


    I'd say the next time he'd need a load for that job he'd tell u land on with yours and agree a price. He'd be fair enough but the next time your not locked up and selling stock n a mart I'd give him a twist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭50HX


    Truck comes to your yard, he will way them at the mart & off to feedlot then

    I had a mate that used him last year, said his paymentcame from feedlot, mauty was sorted by them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭older by the day


    It will be interesting to know how you will get on. Its a disgrace that the factory's are getting reactors at 1.50euro/kg, and the tax payer has to subsidise this.

    Out of interest, I got the reactors check from the department, my check was 105 short of the valuation and it took the gross on the factory check which there was another 100 deducted. Thats 205.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭kk.man


    And the meat will be eaten the same no doubt....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Ah the cheque from the factory is some annoyance. They even grade the disgracefully. I had a Smx suckler bred bullock killed out 280kgs and they graded him a P1 €420.. like he was no P closer to an R and ok he wasn't fit properly a 2-. It's just so insulting as the Department were after valuing him at €1,600.

    I hope you get on fairly with whatever feedlot you deal with @Sugarbowl, I know nothing about any of them but I did here Goodman one in Kildare is good to deal with , but that was from a guy that wasn't restricted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭148multi


    Them bulls are well worth finishing, and good bonus for under 16 months. You could be adding an extra €500 profit per bull after costs. They will gain over 2kg a day on ad-lib. But you'll need a shed for them to sleep. With a price of 6.20 next March they could come into €2,300-2,500. Was in the same boat years ago.

    Best advise Is to sit down with calculator and take a few weeks to make your decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭capslock88


    What's the story with the price per kg on reactors? How is it calculated? Or where does the meat end up? I got 1e/kg for a heifer and 2.60e/kg for heavy suckler cows. The grades were also unrealistic though not as off the mark as yours…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Don't know what the story or pricing is. Think factories tender a price for the week and the then the department go with who offered the best. Most of the bigger factories don't tender as the likes of Sainsbury's & Morrisons in the UK wouldn't buy from them if they kill a certain % of reactor cattle. Once the carcass kills out ok then the meat goes to the food chain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    How do people get on with the valuations ?
    Are people happy enough with what the total compensation per individual animal is ?
    Compensation should be the cost of landing the exact same animal in your yard as the replacement .
    Also how are the DOAFM deciding on how much and when they pay out by way of hardship grant ?They seem to pay whatever they want ! Is their process documented anywhere ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Was watching Dower House Farm on youtube a while ago and thought he said he was feeding cattle on contract for another farmer, does this mean other farmer still owned the cattle? I suppose this doesn't apply to TB restricted stock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Ya, when you get locked up, you get sent out a pack on what you have to do, and it gives you prices on what animals are worth, on a range of 1 to 5. Dairy cattle differ, due to ebi and pedigree. Then some one rings to ask which valuer do want from a list of local valuers. You should have asked around to have found out a fair one. Then they call out and grades the animal and give you a price. You can accept or reject through ag food or post. Then you could be left with the reactors for a few weeks, or days, they should be kept separate and milk discarded.

    When they go you have to power wash and sanitise the houses, crush, parlour ect. with a approved detergent. Send in a form that it's done, get inspected, and hopefully get paid.

    I'm getting the hardship grant, I don't have a clue how they calculate it, or when is started or will finish. I don't bother ringing anymore.

    The valuer is fair, 1st calvers 1950 ,bull 2.5 years old 3200, ect. I found but the value of milk this year has meant I'm at a loss and it will be next year that il feel the loss of 2nd and 3rd calvers not peaking.

    Fingers crossed I will get free for spring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    The valuation is fine. You probably get 105% of the value of the animal (for beef) as if you landed them in the mart. But that doesn't near cover the hassle involved. I am not getting the hardship grand as only 4 cattle went on me, think you need something like 10% to go. At 1 time you also didn’t get it if you had an off farm income but I think that has changed. It's all a massive pain in the ass if I am honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭148multi


    Thought the hardship grant was primarily depending on winter months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    yeah the winter months but you also need to be over a certain percentage. Think 9.5% I read. Doesn’t matter anymore about your off farm income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    There's the hardship grant and the income supplement.

    There can be no off farm income for the qhardship grant but there could for the income supplement.

    The hardship grant is only paid for the winter months.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.gov.ie/230767/0f0b5e7f-d9c1-4e48-873e-809d7b516560.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjRnNWz9sCKAxUuUkEAHRwUGAsQFnoECDoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3NaQFr6KXVAwcr4vTO2pDE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Once the carcass kills out ok then the meat goes to the food chain.

    This imo is a disaster waiting to happen, remember the uproar when they found horse meat in burgers, if Joe Public realised that meat from animals who "tested" positive for tb was ending up on their plates they would be horrified.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Who2


    did you get any offers from the feed lots? I can’t see you getting anywhere close to their value of them.

    I was caught a few times like you and I built them onto ad-lib and finished as quick as I could. If moneys tight and you deal with any of the bigger meal merchants they will allow you the couple of months credit to get stock finished once you’re upfront with them. I’d most of my bulls gone in September and October this year and I half regret not pushing for an early finish but that’s the option I took.



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