Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

There was no change in thinking in the "EU". The EU is a multi-faceted organisation. You are referring to the EU Parliament I think with that comment. The EU Parliament had no executive role in what came next. The EU Parliament can sometimes consequently be detached from reality.

Several EU countries already had mandatory vaccination pre-covid, and this has been upheld by the EU courts.

"We were told" again.

It's an obsession with wanting science or authority to be wrong about something as part of a greater paranoia of both.

We assume science is right. Sometimes it is not. We as scientists deal with that and the most important premise is we do not hide it when we are wrong. Because sometimes we are wrong.

Somehow doubt it. Mandatory vaccines are a hard sell now what ever about 200 years ago

Uuhh..

When the pandemic broke you have millions of virologists, scientists, experts, etc from all over the world, all furiously debating and challenging and researching and measuring and calculating. National health bodies have to disseminate all that information in order advise government. Government then has to issue guidelines, advice, laws, etc during that pandemic. It's a dynamic situation. What might work in March might not work in April. That info is not all infallible. Advice has to be changed and updated depending on that situation and our knowledge of the information, which was fluid.

Again, some experts thought the first lockdown would work, they were incorrect. Some thought that masks wouldn't reduce the virus, they were wrong. It's self-evident.

They've been around for a long time. For example there are 16 African countries that require anyone over the age of 9 months to have a vaccine cert if they want to travel there.

Ironically anti-vax disinfo and anti-vaxxers fuelled a rise in pressure for mandatory vaccines during a peak in the pandemic in certain countries. E.g. Austria, which went through a formal process to bring it in (only removing it at the last moment). It worked, more people got vaccinated. Also polls show a majority of Austrians supported it.

Win-win situation, less people died from a preventable disease and there was less strain on the health system.

Another mask aficianado. What about the envioronmental carnage your billions of masks caused? This wearing a cloth around your face to stop a viral particle that is so small that a piece of fabric can have no containing effect. Why do arab women have the same covid transmission rates as other non face covering countries. Iran had worst covid rates in the world at some stage.

You are here because you feel "we were told" that vaccines would stop Covid or similar, and this is your ensuing bitterness from that belief. That somehow we were "hoodwinked" and you even have some large conspiracy you believe is behind it all, but I haven't seen anyone have much luck extracting it.

I don't remember being "told" vaccines would prevent Covid infections, I remember there was a lot of optimism, but also a lot of uncertainty about it.

E.g.

Another, before the vaccines were out

"Bangham said few vaccines completely block an infection, but they can reduce both the severity of disease and the chance of passing it on. However, in the case of vaccines in development against Covid, myriad questions remain."

Is your personal take on things. It's clear you are fixated on this whole preventable thing to an extreme degree.

I remember thinking early on that vaccinations would "stop" Covid, as time went on, more info became available, more warnings in the press and from experts it became clear they wouldn't meet everyone expectations. The vaccines still reduce transmission and have saved countless lives.