BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 12:53PM

Indeed... Looking ever likely...

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1580262987402616837?s=20&t=Jd-xz1i8Yoki72isdTbpuw

ancapailldorcha · 13-10-2022 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739102#Comment_119739102

Stop. You'll jinx it.

13-10-2022 02:12PM

I think it's time to change the thread title back to "Is Liz Truss Toast?"...I can't see anybody objecting at this stage.

PommieBast · 13-10-2022 02:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739669#Comment_119739669

Odds are that as soon as such a title change is made the words will need reordering.. 😁

13-10-2022 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739102#Comment_119739102

I can’t remember the exact number reported, but a lot of Tory MPs are standing down at the end of this parliament anyway (not directly to do with this current kerfuffle). The report I listened to was explaining why Truss would not be able to effectively apply the whip, as has no power over a retiring MP, and there would be more MPs looking to do the right thing against their own party

Quin_Dub · 13-10-2022 02:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739713#Comment_119739713

To force a GE Labour et al would need 41 Tories to either abstain or vote with them is that correct?

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739266#Comment_119739266

I'm too giddy. The collapse of the Tories and the DUP is something I've longed for for too long. That it may happen at the same time is just glorious and one worthy of opening up the Midleton.

13-10-2022 03:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739852#Comment_119739852

I would not suggested that it's the collapse of the Tories, UK politics seems to be cyclical where one of the main parties manages to make themselves unelectable for a number of years, it's the Tories turn now.

But I do love the excitement of it all.

I love political chaos.

VinLieger · 13-10-2022 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739852#Comment_119739852

I forgot that the final Stormont deadline is coming up in Nov/Dec isnt it?

Yurt2 · 13-10-2022 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739933#Comment_119739933

There's not much to love about this variant of political chaos though.

This Tory government has inflicted massive violence on the social fabric of the UK.

Someone sent me a video during the week of a man who had cerebral palsy since birth confronting Jacob Rees Moggs. He spent four years getting a degree to become a youth worker and the Tories slashed services leading to him losing his job. When applying for benefits, he was asked to prove he had cerebral palsy.

JRM is the ultimate jack the lad slash and burn Tory archetype, and when confronted by the human cost of his doctrine, he couldn't look the distressed man in the eye.

I wouldn't use the language myself, but this is why certain segments of British society are content to call Conservative adherants Tory scum. And I'm not going to be the one to step in and say "ooh, isn't that a rather rude thing to say?".

13-10-2022 03:47PM

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Timberrrrrrrr · 13-10-2022 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739974#Comment_119739974

"When applying for benefits, he was asked to prove he had cerebral palsy."

The comedian Alex Brooker explained on the TV show he co hosts (the last leg) how he had to explain to the DWP that yes he was indeed still classed as disabled as the leg he had amputated as a child is still refusing to grow back.

Here's the clip, it includes the man you mentioned above confronting Mogg.

https://youtu.be/LaLJ4QQspGM

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739933#Comment_119739933

It's definitely the collapse of the Tories. Unfortunately it won't be their destruction and demise.

Any chaos that involves the destruction of the right or Fianna Fáil is truly delicious.

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739937#Comment_119739937

End of October was the last CHH said. But there'll be "one more chance" leading us to a February election.

Muahahaha · 13-10-2022 04:46PM

As much as Id like to see it I cant see turkeys voting for Christmas and voting for a general election and the effective loss of their seats.

But you'd have to think this is surely an opportune time for Starmer to force the Tories to vote confidence in Truss. That would surely result in their polling numbers getting hammered even further and sow widespread panic within the ranks. And he gets to say he is doing it 'in the national interest' and protecting the British public from Trussonomics, its a double win

VinLieger · 13-10-2022 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740322#Comment_119740322

True if he does it now and they vote it down but end up kicking her out before christmas he can hang it over all their heads during the election

Beasty · 13-10-2022 05:44PM

After a number of representations, toast has returned to the thread title - but will she be a jammy slice of toast?

Brussels Sprout · 13-10-2022 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740530#Comment_119740530

I just want it noted that I liked this post for the title change - not the dreadful dad joke

Beasty · 13-10-2022 06:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740559#Comment_119740559

Well for some of the grandads around - will Liz beat Brian Clough's 44 day stint at Leeds?

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 09:45PM

Christopher Chope wheeled out to defend the government from the anti-growth coalition.

Yes, I know you haven't heard of him either.

This is the bottom of the barrel. Kwarteng is gone by Monday.

L1011 · 13-10-2022 09:57PM

In 1993, the Canadian Tory's went from 156 seats to 2 - out of 295 seats versus the UKs 650. They also use FPTT.

Their leader, the PM, lost her seat; after serving as PM for a few months.

She had taken over between elections from an unpopular, corrupt PM.

If Truss makes it to the same few months, the could be looking at a fairly equivalent result.

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2022 10:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119741669#Comment_119741669

The way the polls are you could have the SNP as the official opposition. Literally mirroring the PQ in 1993. And this of course set in motion* the journey toward the Québec independence referendum in 1995.

*Obviously more to it than that. But in essence having the PQ as the main opposition helped to bring it to a head quicker than it otherwise would have done.

Strazdas · 13-10-2022 10:59PM

All of this started on June 23rd, 2016. David Cameron is going to have some epitaph - the guy who destroyed the Tory Party (and the DUP) and who will probably cause the break up of the UK.

Yurt2 · 13-10-2022 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119741852#Comment_119741852

Cameron was weak as p*ss to give in to the loony-bin wing of the Tories I agree.

But the can ultimately needs to be carried by the loonies that walked the UK into believing that Brexit was a good idea. Not unique though, the Tory party has been riddled with bad ideas and demegouges that peddle them for many decades. Brexit is but one poison pill sold to the British public.

Strazdas · 14-10-2022 01:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119741919#Comment_119741919

I think people failed to realise just how extremely divisive a vote to Leave would be. Not only did it divide the UK but it even ended up dividing the Tory Party, with many good people forced out (hounded out by the Brexit hawks / hardliners and their legions of press pals).

Kalyke · 14-10-2022 05:49AM

Kwazi returning early from the States. Get ready for a bus sling.

Rawr · 14-10-2022 09:11AM

Truss is clearly an unimpressive PM, and unlike BoJo she doesn't have a layer of obnoxious false confidence to slather over her unsuitability for the job. I can't help but wonder what she thought this would be like. Did she really think she'd be like a new Thatcher? (Just like BoJo liked to cosplay as Churchill?) This already felt like it was doomed to end badly for her when she was selected, and I'm surprised to find that feeling increase so very quickly. The Queen dying gave her a golden chance to prepare of a honeymoon period that might have been good for her....if only she wasn't so very bad at her job. She'll probably survive the year...but I won't be at all surprised if she didn't.

As with BoJo, what happens is all down to the Tories themselves. Do they want rid of her soon? Do they really want to go through another round of leadership contests and "Hustings" while the country burns around them? Well...maybe they do. My guess is that the greatest danger for them is Truss calling an early General Election now. They don't have to for years, but if Liz feels like it's the only way to save herself she might press that button and likely lose the Tories a massive number of seats.

Loafing Oaf · 14-10-2022 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119742711#Comment_119742711

Do they really want to go through another round of leadership contests and "Hustings" while the country burns around them?

If Truss is overhrown the plotters will likely seek a 'coronation' of her successor, presumably Sunak. It would be very much on-trend...

14-10-2022 09:33AM

It's ended up being good for Ireland I reckon. She doesn't have time to mess around with the protocol and the EU.

ancapailldorcha · 14-10-2022 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119742816#Comment_119742816

They never did. It was always meaningless bluster. They can't even fulfill their current obligations FFS. They know full well that the second they ditch the protocol, it's economic war with the EU and their current account deficit means there'll only be one winner.

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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP