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Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Mike2006


    Just found out this morning that you activate the heated side mirrors (which were needed this morning) by turning on the heated rear windscreen. Strange one, but that's where it is...

    Mike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Thanks, good to know, 3 times this morning in the space of 6-7Km, my wing mirrors fogged up, they cleared up themselves fairly quickly, but nice to happen on a motorway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭jusmeig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Regarding the wipers which i had to use a lot yesterday - they really are a pain. The auto wipers are very poor and are pretty much unusable in any sort of heavy rain. It's mad to think that they are this bad when the tach in some parts of the car is so amazing.

    It's mental how i have so much phantom wiping on AP but then they don't come on quick enough when its actually raining lol

    Look, i've had other cars where the auto wipers were nothing to write home about but at least they were adjustable on the stalk - the fact that you need to use the touch screen to alternate between speed settings is just a right pain and quite dangerous in reality.

    Simple solution would be to be able to click the wiper button to toggle between speeds - this would mean you could change the settings without having to take your eye off the road.

    Anyone know if i am missing something and there is a way to toggle the speeds by using the stalks or buttons?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    On a lighter note i was wondering how i would find having no rear wiper - this morning i realised our 2nd car actually has none either and i've lived with that unnoticed for the last 6 years haha

    I wonder how much other stuff i just would never think about only for the fact the Tesla gets so much scrutiny online etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Rear visibility is pretty bad in general on the Model 3. I'm quite tall, so it's acceptable, but the way the back curves up means my wife can't see anything at all. It's a little awkward using a combination of turning on the back cam and using the mirrors when wanting rear visibility. I don't think wipers would change or help a whole lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    I've just replaced the wiper blades and the new ones seem to perform better than the original ones. Regarding the lazy wiping I find if wipe few times manually it kinda get into the rhythm by itself. Ref phantom wiping I squirt screen wash when it happens and most of the time but not always it solves the issue. When not solving I stop them and turn them back on auto at the next traffic light. If you press the button to manually wipe, the wiper menu appears so it is easy to just press off or auto without searching around the menus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,267 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Not sure if you are aware, but you can bring up the wiper menu by half or full pressing the screen wash button (activating a wipe brings up the wiper menu).

    I know it doesn't solve your issue as you still need to look at the screen, but doing this means you already have the wiper menu up so only 1 press is needed to change the setting as opposed to going into a deeper menu to find the same options...


    And in a similar vein, a flash of the headlights brings up a small lights menu in the same place as the wipers menu so you can adjust the setting, rather than having to open the main menu to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,267 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Ref phantom wiping I squirt screen wash when it happens and most of the time but not always it solves the issue. When not solving I stop them and turn them back on auto at the next traffic light.

    These are generally my go to methods for dealing with phantom wiping and for the most part they work.. If however they are stubborn, leaving them off for 5-10 minutes usually does the trick....


    this is all well and good with previous versions, though nowadays and if I was on a motorway on AP, I wouldn't be too happy disconnecting for 10 minutes to try and fix the sh1tty auto wipers...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Yes, not the best feature of Tesla. Suggest using Voice commands to action these items. Its surprising how many things can be controlled with voice avoiding distraction and danger of interacting with screen whilst driving. I use all the time and its great if you are like me always keeping an eye on Trips. Simple voice command like "Open Trips". "Open Maps" does it without having to lose concentration etc....Wipers are controllable also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Anyone else finding the seat heating coming on when in auto climate a bit of a nuisance? Yesterday was a wet muggy day down here so every time started car (Was doing a lot of stop/ starts) the seat heaters came on automatically yet only had temp set at a low setting. Certainly did not want them on, wasn't cold, even my missus as a passenger gave out about having to keep manually turning them off. Can't see anyway of not having them come on when in auto, but perhaps I am missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Core6


    I looked at scanmytesla recently on my Sept M3 RWD and it said :- Nominal Full Pack 60.7kWh; Nominal Remaining 58.4kWh; Energy Buffer 5.50kWh; Full Pack When New 60.5kWh; Usable Remaining 52.7kWh.

    The battery was at 95% full when I recorded those figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Pretty sure you can change that so that heated seats are not used in auto climate to warm the cabin temp. I remember a mate showing it to me. Where it is, i cant remember off the top of my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    When i say open trips with my accent it says "open trucks" and tries to navigate me to the nearest truck stations! Maybe its just my accent, but i find the voice commands very flakey and thats why i dont use them - having to repeat a command over and over is annoying. I never have any issues with google voice commands on my other devices so i guess i do find it strange that Tesla one doesnt work for me.

    Not trying to be negative, its just how i find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Cheers - 60.7 nominal full is big. And the "hard" buffer seems to be 2.3. "soft" buffer 5.5.

    So in line with what a lot of us have seen give or take a few decimals here and there.

    Interesting the changes made in the LFP with the hard buffer - i'm not sure that even existed in the earlier models but is a good idea to protect against fatal battery damage.

    So in and around the 52kWh as the 0-100%. Thanks for posting this information - great to see it came from the SMT app so no guessing and cannot be disputed by anyone.

    Out of interest what is your WLTP rated range on your certificate of conformity (on the 2nd page)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Core6


    The WLTP rated range is 491Km on the Cert of Conformity.

    I am regarding the Usable Remaining battery of 52.7kWh with the battery at 95% as equal to 55.5kWh when it is at 100%.

    I didn't check it when the car was showing 100% battery but I will the next time I charge it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    55 would tie with what I had calculate manually but there have been reports of a lot of new cars having less than that available - like approx 52kWh only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Those figures are hard to interpret so you could be right - but yeah best to see what you have at 100% if you could.

    So the below video (time stamped) is when the original 60kWh LFP came out. You can see the smaller buffer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wanYzbsi4k&t=140s

    Looking at this video it looks like you have a bigger energy buffer than Bjorn above but a lot smaller than i have.

    So my pack size is 60.5 and the total energy buffer of about 8kWh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    I just ran my September delivered RWD from 100% to 0% and according to the trip meter it used 52kwh.

    So I charged it back up again and the Tesla app said it put 59kwh back in versus my Zappi that said 61kwh back in.

    I have now used 50% of that charge and used exactly 26kwh so it would seem there is still only 52kwh available so where did that other 9% go????

    I am not happy that my car seems to have that very large buffer and you cannot get 491km from it with only 52kwh useable so I think we need to try and take this a step further with Tesla if we can and get them to reduce the buffer…



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s below 0%.

    theres 10% of the range below 0 seemly according to Bjorns tests.

    I doubt you’ll get the 491km even with the full battery available though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    if there is 10% below 0% then what is the actual point of saying that it is 0%?

    That just makes no sense….

    Just leave the 10% on the bloody battery percentage and then everyone knows how much is actually left!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I agree. I’m just telling you where it is as that’s what you asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    We've a Q1 (March '22) Model 3 & a Q3 too. Both have had OBD dongles fitted from the day after collection & I regularly check (& record) the data.

    The Q1 has approx. 20k kms now & showed max gross capacity initially, of 62kWh. It had/has a 2.7/2.8kWh buffer (changes occasionally or may be varying between 2.74kWh & 2.76kWh so rounding up or down). It had over 59.3kWh available but that gradually reduced & had somewhat settled now, at 57.3/57.4kWh net.

    I was very happy with the 62kWh gross capacity.

    The Q3 has very little mileage so far & initially indicated 61.1kWh gross with a 2.7kWh buffer & 58.4kWh net.

    Both indicated 439km range on collection so that's obviously a default fixed figure & reduces based on degradation (one would hope).

    Those are SMT stats & both cars have/had those available capacities, as evidenced by the trips readings too.

    I'd be fairly miffed with a 52kWh car to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    crazy how my car also shows 439 range but has about 6kWh less available that yours. This is what i have been getting at - it's total false advertising. The range in my car needs to be honestly adjusted to below 400kms.

    The lad in Tesla said that the cert of conformity on mine must be different but i know that is not true.

    I am wondering if there is a way we could compare our certs? I have no problem providing mine.

    At least then if they are the same then i can get on to Tesla again and call them out on this BS.

    Its so annoying that all the calculations my car is doing is based off about 57/58 kWh being available - it makes estimating range impossible. Not to mention the fact that i may need to stop at a charge well before i should have to etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The thing is the range is there, it's just beyond 0. It's the same for petrol/diesel cars. The "range" based on the pie in the sky MPG test figures is only achieved if you drain the tank



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Yes but the range displayed is accurate to zero in an ice car based off specified parameters for a make/model.

    My car 0-100% has 52kWH yet shows a range of 439 when full which is adjusted down to zero (at an incorrect ration) as the percentage battery decreases.

    Kramers car 0-100% has 58kWh yet shows a range of 439 which is adjusted downwards based on the correct WLTP/EPA range based of the correct available battery

    My cars range estimates are all over the shop - they reduced the available battery but left a hardcoded range figure in there which was based off a usable battery of 57.5.

    In an ice car of course there is a range past zero but the range shown before zero is based of a certain MPG and amount of litres in the tank, which will be consistent across the same car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I've kindof come around to agreeing to your POV, especially since seeing Bjorn's video. Those are all valid points you make - but these have been sent mostly to tesla already and the "It's below 0" is what they have said.

    I sent you my Reg by PM, would be interested what (if anything) Tesla say when they see the critical mass of differing experiences. I've had to threaten them with SCC just to get back my 2k refund that they have had for a month after trade in. My average ratio is 5 emails to one response. They have a long way to go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF



    Posting my cert of conformity below - be interesting to see if there are any differences especially in the build date and battery variant and versions are different between those with smaller/larger buffers.

    Like are all of the larger ones a later build date?


    COC Page 1.jpg


    COC Page 2.jpg




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