Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-10-2022 06:18PM

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The problem is that Munster have been writing off seasons and not rebuilding for years.

Speaking of finances and Munster has anyone heard any more recent discussion about Thomond naming rights. Earlier in the summer there was discussion of it and a few posters round here were swearing up and down that there was a deal in place and it would be announced in September.

thomas 123 · 08-10-2022 06:24PM

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Munster are a shell of what they used to be. How can you build anything when you can only get big players to commit to a year or Two. Then you have certain players who simply need to be moved on or given a lesser role(and less money) to allow lads who have a bit of potential play.

the bite is long gone.

lawrencesummers · 08-10-2022 07:30PM

GR needs to identify someone in the backs to provide leadership and demand more of everyone around him.

Casey has some of that attitude but we need a 10 that has no problem throwing a few fckus at the players around him, someone who doesnt care that murray went on a lions tour or that fekitoea played with the AB’s.

Ben Healy doesnt have that and if he doesnt develop it then he has reached his ceiling already.

08-10-2022 08:47PM

Munster have been awful so far this season, they look off the pace, and utterly devoid of ideas in attack. Felt like they were just trying to lure Busby into penalties last night, because they just didn't have ideas to create themselves.

I'm seeing a huge amount amount of deserved criticism for Carbery, but Ben Healy has been awful this year too. Made some basic errors yesterday with the boot which cost them in big places, but offers virtually nothing as well. Connacht targeted him multiple times in defence, and he's not a carrying threat either. Crowley looks a more polished player at this point.

It's not all doom and gloom though. I do really believe they have some nice young players there to build around: Josh Wycherley, Edwin Edogbo, Alex Kendellen, Gavin Coombes, Ruadhan Quinn, John Hodnett, Thomas Ahern, Craig Casey, Jack Crowley, Patrick Campbell.

It doesn't look it'll happen for them where this cohort of players are ready to win while O'Mahony, Murray etc are still at their peak, but I don't think things are as negative as some posters are suggesting either.

Burkie1203 · 08-10-2022 08:53PM

Thomas DuToit was interviewed on RTE prior to the Leinster game today.

He made one comment about his time at munster "what the players lacked in skills they made up for with hard work"

I think that hard work/work rate/passion stuff stopped being relevant in modern rugby a long time ago.

Heaslip spoke about the investment Leinster made in the mid noughties with regard to the academy and how players coming into the academy have to operate in training at the same levels of the international players who won't wait for you to catch up.

I think that "hard work" culture at munster is something that needs to be not spoken about. It should be a given, not an aspiration

aloooof · 08-10-2022 09:01PM

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I'm seeing a huge amount amount of deserved criticism for Carbery, but Ben Healy has been awful this year too.

Carbery's been Ireland's 2nd choice 10. Healy is in his 2nd year of a senior contract. It's pretty reasonable to have a higher bar for Carbery.

It doesn't look it'll happen for them where this cohort of players are ready to win while O'Mahony, Murray etc are still at their peak, but I don't think things are as negative as some posters are suggesting either.

Murray is nowhere near his peak, tbh. I'd agree with the latter part of your comment tho. It'll be very interesting to see how selections go once the EI players are back.

08-10-2022 09:10PM

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No, I definitely agree the bar should be higher for Carbery, but the are high expectations for Healy too, and he's not meeting them either. I do like the look of Crowley though whenever I've seen him.

Akrasia · 08-10-2022 09:21PM

Crowley is our top choice 10 at the moment based on form. Having said this, I'm 100% expecting him to pick up a season ending injury playing against the cheetahs tomorrow

08-10-2022 09:28PM

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Jesus the doom and gloom around (some) Munster fans at the moment is really a bit much.

thomas 123 · 08-10-2022 09:41PM

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Healy is filling boots that managment have failed to fill with poor recruitment since Keatly. I would expect him to be a solid rotation player.

aloooof · 08-10-2022 10:18PM

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It's entirely understandable, tho. It's our worst start to a league season that I can ever remember. And we've been playing some of the poorer teams in the league in that time.

aloooof · 08-10-2022 11:46PM

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I think that "hard work" culture at munster is something that needs to be not spoken about. It should be a given, not an aspiration

But who at Muster has been speaking about it? Thomas Du Toit was last at Munster 5 years ago for a single season. Of the 42 senior players we had during that season, only 11 remain.

I think you're reading a lot into what sounds like a pretty standard, throw away comment, tbh.

Dubinusa · 09-10-2022 02:56AM

Pity they didn't keep him. Serious scrummager. Would certainly help Munster.

ersatz · 09-10-2022 05:52AM

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For all the criticisms of the EI tour Crowley is one player who has enhanced his prospects as a result of it. Would he have featured for Munster if he’d stayed home given Healy and Carbery are available?

Burkie1203 · 09-10-2022 07:29AM

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But we keep hearing sound bites from within the current squad about work rate etc. Rowntree in a recent interview kept talking about not faulting the effort etc and I think that it has become too much of a mantra

molloyjh · 09-10-2022 09:20AM

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But loads of coaches talk about that stuff in the press, it’s not specifically a Munster thing.

aloooof · 09-10-2022 09:57AM

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And he’s also made comments about errors, penalty count and guys forcing it.

Like almost every other coach.

Akrasia · 09-10-2022 10:01AM

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Yes. Crowley absolutely would have been playing if he was available

Akrasia · 09-10-2022 10:12AM

GR has a high intensity training regime, it's supposed to be a significant change from JVGs system. Some of the players are very tired looking on the pitch, they're not suited to a high tempo game plan, that's why we were so dependent on the 9 lads in SA.

After watching the Leinster/sharks game last night Munsters intensity levels are a mile off the pace, we would have lost to either of those teams by a cricket score

09-10-2022 11:29AM

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Based on what? He's been viewed as a clear third choice behind Carbery and Healy so far.

Akrasia · 09-10-2022 11:41AM

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Based on Carbery forgetting how to play rugby. And the fact he was the better, by far, 10 in the 2 preseason friendlies and our opening defeat to the Blues.

ShineyShiney · 09-10-2022 11:48AM

I think the front row options in Munster are below average in comparison to the rest of the league.

That would be my starting point.

aloooof · 09-10-2022 12:00PM

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By the previous coaching team.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-10-2022 12:17PM

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How do to you propose to fix that?

Recruitment? Sacrificing a season playing a lot of younger players and hoping they come good with gametime.

09-10-2022 02:42PM

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The current coaching ticket left him sitting on the bench behind Healy for the first game of this season too.

Lost Ormond · 09-10-2022 03:03PM

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1 game isnt enough to prove anything about this current coaching team.

Akrasia · 09-10-2022 03:08PM

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Because he was going to be gone for the next 6 weeks, they needed to give the minutes to the player who would be actually available

09-10-2022 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119721405#Comment_119721405

No, but there is literally nothing to suggest Crowley isn't viewed as third choice OH up to this point by Munster either. The current head coach was an integral figure in that past coaching set up too.

mahoney_j · 09-10-2022 03:32PM

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Bang on …..Crowley is and has been third choice behind both …..he has huge poteintal but has to show it yet consistently at top level ….healy and carbery must obviously be doing more at training …..he’ll surely get a chance now over next few weeks and hopefully he’ll take it but he’s been massively hyped by some here based on little bar poteintal …..confidence is massive and once we can win a few games confidence will grow …..don’t honestly think too many of us were expecting much from this season with full new coaching ticket in ……patience

aloooof · 09-10-2022 03:38PM

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As was Andy Farrell with Ireland under Schmidt but that didn’t stop him dropping Murray for JGP. Or Earls for Conway. Or POM for Doris.

I think it’s too early to say either way. And given how Carbery and Healy have gone in the meantime, I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch suggest Crowley deserves a shot.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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