Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

I don’t I don’t honestly know as I’ve never had to do it myself…. But I’m sure if you asked in Halfords…. As a poster above said, probably silicone spray, and I’d probably spray in onto a cloth and wipe it into the rubber window seals.

Hey - lengthy discussion with Tesla yesterday and just going round in circles. TBH i was losing the will to live after it - after seeing Bjorn's video yesterday it confirms that the have made the change to increase the buffer in newer models. I was the one that asked Bjorn to re-test a newer model and it was great to see him do it.

The whole LFP advertising in hindsight just seems dodgy now. Seems like they are being ultra cautious on it now and its not really what it cracked up to be. Yeah, charge to 100% daily and all that but then lose it on the other end.

At the end of the day the WLTP for the car is based off a 57.5kWh usable pack (my cert of conformity proves this). And earlier this year that's what u got from 100% to 0%. But it has all changed now and in order to achieve the WLTP range u need to drive about another 6kWh past zero - it's totally unsatisfactory. Like what's stopping them from increasing the buffer even further. As a consumer i'm not happy with it but the way the WLTP is designed there are loopholes everywhere.

What is very disappointing and completely not right is that the display for range in terms of KM is still working off the old 57.5kWh usable pack but the % remaining is not - very sneaky. So they at least need to come out and be honest about that and change it because its a complete contradiction and totally misleading. FYI the WLTP efficiency assumes you have 57.5kWh available at 117 wh/km but now with so much of that hidden below zero it's a total farce. Very very dishonest behavior.

My take in the early 2022 cars was that the pack was 60.5kWh - usable 57.5kWh and a 3kWh buffer that was not "hard" - this may have caused some battery's to completely die and be totally wrecked so now they have:

Same full pack of 60.5kWh

Hard buffer of 3kWh to prevent irreversible damage

"usable" of 57.5kWh but a "soft" buffer of 5.5~6kWh

100%-0% = 52kWh

Yet the range displayed on the car still shows what it was in early 2022 models - this should have been adjusted downwards to reflect that it now represents 52kWh instead of 57.5kWh.

They are learning all the time about LFP and have been singing its praises but they simply cannot bring themselves to display a reduced range in the car as the optics will be confusing, which would be viewed as a backwards step.

Its actually a scandal and they need to come out and fix the mistake. But can u imagine the questions from owners when the displayed EPA range in the car goes from 438km to 396km overnight?????

I was preparing a new thread on the entire issue but I think i will leave my crusade here and hope that Tesla will come out and own up to this and have some integrity and fix it. I have spent enough time and energy on it. I am happy that at least i questioned the issue and my suspicions were correct.

Thanks,

Sorry but just one final point to note on how i calculated EPA range for the current model versus the model delivered earlier in 2022.

Cell chemistry:                 LFP

Battery Pack Size:           ~60kWh

Usable Pack Size:            ~57.5kWh

Battery variant:                E6LR

WLTP rating for the E6LR assumes 57.5kWh usable battery and high energy consumption (TEH) of 117 wh/km

117 wh/km = 8.55km per kWH

Therefore WLTP quoted range of 8.55*57.5 = 491km

Using a conversion ratio for EPA to WLTP of 1.12 the EPA rated range for the car is 438km. This is displayed as the range remaining at 100% charge in-car.

438km is what was displayed in early 2022 models with a lower buffer.

But hey ho the Sept deliveries of the RWD E6LR LFP pack are also showing an EPA range of 438km.

However, the EPA range displayed in-car should actually be 52kWh*8.55/1.12 = 397km as this is the EPA range from 100% to 0%.

The % battery remaining is working off the 52kWh but the rated range in the car is not.

This is not simply an honest mistake.

Anyway that really is it from me for now - i just wanted to show the calculations behind my figures.

Some interesting side-note readings on WLTP rating calcs here:

https://www.electrive.com/2022/05/23/how-wltp-range-is-really-calculated/#:~:text=One%20could%20reasonably%20assume%20that,that%20would%20be%20456%20km.

While I understand your frustrations with the usable range.

Does it actually impact you? Were you expecting to use that last few % regularly? I've mine nearly 3 years and only been at 6% or lower once and only for a few mins when pulling into a supercharger.

If you set your range to % and it accurately calculates % left for trips etc...what does it really matter?

Or is it just the misrepresentation that's bothering you?

I will regularly be doing a round trip of about 360km soon and I am always being directed to charge in the Tesla nav system so cannot make it without charging according to that but if I had an extra 10% then I can make it with 5 or 6% to spare it seems.

My route has no superchargers along it and very few other chargers available either so it is a real hassle to have to charge and if I should be able to make it in one go then why would I want to charge when I really don’t need to so basically wasting my time and money because Tesla are not calculating the proper range remaining in my car.

Since you use both cars , in the ID3 mostly in a good sunny day I can get 520Km from the 56 KW battery, in M3 my max so far is fixed on 439 Km, were you able to get more on your M3?

Is it legal to abandon all attention to the road in autopilot, that you can simply pick up a newspaper and read it

Not legal.

Road Traffic (No. 2) Act 2011, Section 4 - Irish Statute Book

Careless driving. 52.— (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention.

How much is a subscription? Asking for a friend

Never tested the ID3 in real life to see max but the indicated KM's when fully charged is usually around 440/450 kms, although in real life driving i think you would be hard pressed to achieve this. For the Mod 3 you indicate a max of 439km which makes me think you are referring to what the display shows when fully charged (this is most likely EPA indicative range which is very general). I find a more reliable indicator is by using the Energy Monitor app in the car which estimates the range which takes account of your individual driving style based on your average over the previous 10km 25km or 50KM (you select). This can go up or down from the 439 (mostly down) but as you adjust your driving style you can see the impact on range if this were to be sustained. Perhaps you know all of this but I was reacting to the 439km in your message

thanks for the explanation, no I actually didn’t know any of that , again I tend to compare the M3 with the ID3, in the later I solely rely on the mileage displayed, so up until now I also do the same with the M3 , tbh M3 is literally 3 weeks old so many things I’m learning and exploring ( like a toy for a child’s) I must admit the energy app is one item I didn’t even clicked on once , may be will do that tomorrow.

Thanks again

3 separate times the speed was limited on my drive down from the north today. First time it limited me to 61mph and as I drove along it reduced again to 58 then to 56.

Squeaky suspension fix only worked for a few miles then came back. Need a few bits looked at before I go mad with it.

Luke Cooper Pern Hob, not difficult to find. Seems they're based in Florida, and Florida allows texting, phone use, read a book, frying a meal, playing a tennis match, if autopilot is engaged, so not illegal it seems. Also driving while naked in legal in Florida, so I guess they done their research 🙃

FSD blow job's haha 😄