BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

So Truss had her big conference speech. The coronation was what it would have been originally seen as. Not sure that it is being seen like that as this conference as been anything but positive and has shown the party to be deeply divided and lost in many respects.

She didn't do terrible, pretty much in line with her level of performance in interviews etc. So it's safe to say that that is her level. She isn't doing badly, relatively, in interviews, she is just being who she is. Did the Tory party learn nothing from the very near disaster of the TM lead election campaign? That a stilted, awkward, uncomfortable performer make people uncomfortable watching them?

That they cannot connect with people as they just seem so removed and distant? It might not be fair, but it is a trueism that leaders need to connect. TM never had it, Johson clearly did. But they have opted to go for seemingly TM MK11.

For the most part, you have to be present in the country, for understandable reasons- otherwise I'm sure there would be literally millions of applications.

However, they have, or have had in the past, humanitarian admission programmes, for helping people coming from areas of extreme conflict:

It looks like these are now only operational in three states. Has the UK ever done something similar? I think we know the answer.

Btw, I also think Ireland should be doing more. I also understand why people have no faith that we can handle more people when we can't even provide housing for our own citizens.

I just think people should at least acknowledge it's a very complex issue, and one that is going to worsen dramatically in the next decades with more and more climate refugees, rather than say "la la la, not my problem".

What would you want to happen to you if you were from Afghanistan/Syria/Iran/Ukraine/Yemen, or any of the dozens of other countries facing war, drought, famine and oppression? What do you think the world community should do? Do you believe in the concept of asylum at all?

It's not good enough to say "they landed in France, why can't they stay in France"- why should it be France's problem any more than the UK's?

You would think they would want to avoid comparisons to May but everything about that entrance reminded me of May's ABBA dance.

In fact every attempt to portray Thatcher also just reminds me of May.

The UK isn’t trying to stop the migrant tide to prevent drownings. It is merely removing still more access to whatever asylum claiming procedures are left.

Some migrants (and at the scale of current migration flows, it absolutely is ‘some’, and not a whole lot at that) will continue to try and reach the UK by any means: they simply won’t come out of the irregular situation with an asylum claim anymore, feathering the nest of traffickers and modern slavers still further.

At least as consumers we now have a choice of how our data and calls are delivered, if you dont like EIR there are often other ways of getting that service like mobile, satellite and virgin, unlike electricity where it only comes one way.