BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Is it really irrational or do people just hate them because of their entire ethos?

If Sunak was clever he'd sit back and watch this trainwreck from safety. Why does anyone want to lead a party that is all but guaranteed to lose the next election?

And yet the leave Britney alone guy actually was right, she was being unfairly villified. So the poorly grounded half arsed defenses of the CP on this thread are even more pathetic than that meme looked in hindsight.

The Tories of 2022 are actually malelovant. They hounded out any moderates through a series of purges orchestrated by the hard right fringes of the party.

The British public are finally figuring this out.

This is not the face of a PM who is anywhere near the top of her brief.but no credible Tory would be mad enough to stand for leader with the amount of excrement piled up in her in tray, so will they do the honourable thing and call a GE?

Of course they won't because they don't care about the country they're charged with governing

Exactly . That is my position as well. Like looking at it from a dispassionate distance and thanking our stars that although we are certainly not perfect , we at least live in a republic with proportional representation voting system .

I wonder how different that country would be if they ditched their monarchy and class system that allows this excess of privilege and power to some , and shared even a portion of that wealth to levelling up and education, health , and growth of industry and jobs , a bit like they had post WW 2 to some extent except with a monarchy who made an effort to be supportive instead of just celebrities.

Yeah, this is another thing. They'll leave with the place in tatters, labour will take over, and then they, with their private right wing media empires, will blame Labour for the mess they created even as Labour do everything they can to undo the damage the Tories caused, hoping that the public will be gaslighted and the Tories can swoop I'm at the next election to repeat the cycle all over again.

For me, Electoral reform to move to a transferrable vote should be item 1 on the agenda on day 1 of Starters term as PM

Unfortunately I don't think they'll do it

There are a lot of reforms that are needed. A new human rights bill should be drafted and put forward in a referendum to stop the Tories from dismantling workers rights and the rights to protest and engage in freedom of speech etc

The opposition's plan was to fund a price cap with a windfall tax. Truss wants the energy companies to continue to make these enormous profits and to load it all onto the increasingly expensive national debt

So, you agree, the issue is one of implementation and no one is saying, "No price cap! No price cap!"

As for how it's implemented, neither you nor I have seen any proposals from HMG on how to pay for the price cap, because there aren't any and it will be expensive. It's easy to criticize Labour's proposal on paying for it, they've made one. Probably their windfall profits tax isn't high enough then.

And, yeah, choosing tax rates does require some analysis; HMG has lots of civil servants and lots of computers and can hire smart people (in theory) to do that analysis. Kind of thing the OBR does I believe, but wasn't done prior to announcing the mini-budget.

I think as long as they have a majority they might still be able to find a way to make things even worse depending on who replaces Truss. If the Tories only care about getting re-elected, then they have 2 years to break democracy even further

Truss is too thick to accomplish this, but Michael Gove (for example) is positioning himself as a 'reasonable' Tory over the last few months.

Anyone associated with the ERG is a legitimate threat to what remains of British democracy