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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Fury saying Joshua fight is gone now. Predictable enough. Joshua not ready to go for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Honestly it is looking like a set up. Also wondering if Charr has been tested recently.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Wake up. Fury had no intention of the AJ fight.

    If he was at all genuine he wouldn’t have been worried about any Monday night deadline. What was the rush?

    Charr was the opponent all along.

    btw, I’m not saying AJ was all for it. He may well have not wanted it, too. But Fury definitely didn’t want it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i had my doubts the fight would ever happen, fury doesnt have the patience to wait for the contract by the looks of it and ajs legal team seem to have stalled which makes me wonder was it all bluff from both camps to generate publicity and get people talking about something other than aj getting beaten again.

    so now we will have aj v whyte next year and fury v charr in december which is a shame and they are all a bunch of sausages for getting our hopes up 10%

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Aj may not have wanted it, but Fury was not serious with how he tried to negotiate it , although he won't be upset whatsoever at the outcome, he can claim that "Aj ducked the fight" and a lot of his more gullible fans will lap it up because they know no better.

    Fighting Charr is a joke however, would actually rather him fight Chisora if he has his heart set on a stupid fight.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1574444793043746826



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    These are the silly games they all play. That fight might never happen. That’s one thing I liked about whyte he fights hard fights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Not sure how you make that out,

    He literally sent him a contract, The ball was in AJ's court sign it and the fight was on ,

    When Fury send AJ the contract its out of his hands what more can he do ,

    AJ & Hearn have said multiple times the contract is fine so why keep waiting either sign it or don't ,

    He offered him 40% if he fights his way back to mandatory he will only get 20% , Its beyond fair ,

    If you wanted to buy my house & i sent you over a contract to sell it and you don't sign , Is it my fault or yours that you don't buy the house ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Butson


    Fury AJ a total mess.

    Regardless if Fury wanted the fight or not (I'm dubious) it just sums up all that is wrong with the sport. Promotors, TV companies, belts - absolute sh!tshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Hearn and Warren said talks are still on going

    fury is bored on social media, he should go into camp and get ready and let the grown ups sort it out

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There will be more goal posts moved.....

    Fury never wanted this fight. Odd that him and Warren thought this up, when really it was Charr that Fury was boxing.

    Messers. And looking online I think a lot of people are of the logical view that Charr was always plan A here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Come on. Don't be so gullible here. We get it, you're big Fury fan, but you don't have to turn blind eye to everything.

    Pointless discussing when you cannot be at all objective. It's plainly obvious what happened here with Fury.

    Everything from the start to now points to Fury being a spoofer/messer on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'm a boxing fan and he's the best heavy weight right now so yes i enjoy watching him fight ,, I don't care about what he does outside of the ring or what any other boxer does ,

    I don't get how he can be blamed here, He sent a contract once that is sent the ball is in AJ's court, How can Fury pull a fast one sign it and your fighting,

    Hearn & AJ have both said the contract is fine if there is a problem why not say what the issue is ?

    How is Fury spoofing when all parties have said there is a fair contract ?

    It points at AJ team not wanting this fight, his coaches & 258 seem to be the issue here,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody is blaming.....folks are hypothesizing that it was just a con from Fury to begin with, and that he has no real intention of fighting AJ Dec 3. Your not entertaining this leads me to believe that you are not being objective here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Take Fury & AJ out of it for a second ,

    If boxer A sends boxer B a fight contract with terms & condition that boxer B says are fine , How would anyone think Boxer A doesn't want the fight ?

    Literally once the contract is sent Boxer A is no longer in control of the outcome, Boxer B either signs it or doesn't ,

    The fighter & his promoter have said the deal & terms are fair so why has it not been signed ?

    Why hasn't AJ signed it, ?

    Hearn loves to chat why not say what the problem is

    If i don't want to sell you my car , i don't send you the log book over to sign do i



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Exactly, remove the names and it still reads like a dud of an intention and a dud of an offer. Boxer C in the background waiting for the fight. Boxer C being the actual opponent all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Taxes


    I think that that although they’ve agreed on the revenue splits (60/40 in favour of Fury) there are lots of different elements yet to be decided upon.

    I’d tend to agree with Hearn that the fight sells itself so I’m not sure why Fury would put a hard deadline on it(signing of the contract).

    My guess would be that Fury wants certainty so that he can start a specific training camp, albeit a very short one, as soon as possible.

    We would be crazy to think that either fighter is scared to fight each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Your not addressing the problem with your thinking, they sent a contract to AJ all he needs to do is sign it,

    Once the contract is sent the fight is in AJs teams hands would you not agree ?

    Of course you have a fighter C ready why wouldn't you , you don't book venues a& dates without having cover,

    Fight C has no contract , Fighter B does, once Fight B signs that contract fight C is irrelevant ,

    Can i ask why is it a dub of an offer ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    If you really think a fight of the magnitude of AJ-Fury (different promoters and tv rights and all that) is as simple as here's your contract, sign it......well

    And, anyway....why the urge to move on when Hearn and AJ were "allegedly" still looking over things? Fury is hardly that desperate for this Monday night deadline signature..

    Whole things stinks of a set up, but for whatever reason( (and I can only think of your dislike for Hearn and AJ and your not wanting to hear bad of Fury) being the reason you are ignoring the smell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    With regard to the TV part of the deal, who would use a streaming service like DAZN when they can just press a button and watch it on BT Sports ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    They have had it 10 days & both have said the contract is fine ,,so why the hold up

    December 3rd is only 9 weeks away Fury will need to go through the same process all over again to secure a new fight , How long does he let AJ drag this out ?

    How's it a set up ? How can you set someone up when they have the power to seal it ? How can you even come to that conclusion ?

    They literally have a contract, all that is needed is there signature & its happing, Its literally in AJ's teams hands, there's nothing else Fury can do once the contract is sent,

    It's not rocket science pick up a pen, use it & its done ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Butson


    I assume that is the key sticking point from a commercial point of view. Dazn would be the poor relation by a long shot here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    oh its defiantly DAZN & 258

    DAZN have two reason not to want the fight or at least want conditions meet , One is there exclusive contract ,which isn't normally a big deal but they have paid AJ massive money so they will want some return, & 2 if he gets beat again they are simply not going to make the money back on him that was projected at the off set .

    Its a huge cross roads for AJ, TV money wise building him back up to eventually fight for a big one makes the most sense, Taking this fight could be sending him & his career to the executioner , especially if he is taken out in style by Fury ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    interesting take on it here



    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Butson


    Vast bulk of the PPV buys would come from the UK.

    It would be a non event in the US. Boxing is seriously on the decline over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Fmd charr on a 3 fight deal

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    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    I'm a Fury fan, but I think this is odd as fcuk from Fury. You do not give lawyers a deadline, on a weekend, to sign by Monday. It stinks. Yes they had it 10 days, yes AJ was happy with he purse but there's a whole lot of scrutinising to do. If fury gave till say, Wednesday, I'd be in his court but giving a deadline of Monday on a Saturday is bullshit and anyone who deals with lawyers/solicitors knows that. I do think it was out of Joshua's hands, beit the TV rights or rematch purse, but Fury knew this wasn't getting signed on Monday, giving the ultimatum on a weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I’d say they were both at it. Yea sure Tyson I’ll fight ya. Not sure what Joshua gets out of it but it hypes up fury’s exhibition against charr.

    finally got found to watching parker and Joyce on YouTube. That was some beating. Parker did get a few digs in and Joyce didn’t blink. His fitness is incredible. Now he had a few inches and a stone weight advantage. He gets hit a lot too so it would be very interesting to see how he’d do with the big 3/4. I think lose against all 4 would love to aww wilder and even Joshua against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Man your arguing with a poster who has predicted fury to lose most of his big fights including Chisora years ago, that poster is not objective in anyway when it comes to fury. Fury could have waited longer but hes the a side here and if aj really wanted it to get his career back on track he would have signed it with a generous 40 split, all the other stuff they have issue with shouldn't come into it as aj is coming off 2 losses so is in no position to dictate the contract. AJ and hearn trying to act like they are in charge, bull ****, aj loses to wilder too if he fights him and then we will see the back of the dislikable hype job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,664 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Even Frank Warren has said as much.

    Some Fury fans just cannot hear anything “negative” about the man.

    anyway, he’s likely going to fight Manuel Charr now, and again, he’ll get no scrutinising from some of his fans on this.

    I thought Simon Jordan’s take on it was pretty close!



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