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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ha…could they actually go for two votes of no confidence in one year? I’d love to see it, but I wouldn’t believe it unless I saw it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,768 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Reminds me of this but in super fast forward mode

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Listening to US traders, sounds like todays slight recovery in the pound was in expectation of a minimum 75bps hike in interest rates within 48 hours. Will probably need to be more than that, accompanied by strong indicators of more to come, or sterling will tank again. Is going to back Truss into a corner. To unwind what she’s done it double down

    Tory MPs have confirmed to Carol Walker on Times Radio that letters have gone in to the 1922 committee

    and labour take a 17 point lead

    this is utterly remarkable!

    Tory party conference will be tasty…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Ok serious question. Explain like to a child why low value currency is not good for exporting and trading. The other end is extremely expensive currency. It looks like a defacto currency devaluation to promote growth. All this talk of burdens on the next generation while the Irish government is doing the exact same thing spending tomorrows money today. No idea where they get the eye watering 12 bn surplus next year. Is that due to not actually spending anything and then wonder why were in a mess in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Low value is good if you are a net exporter, if (like the UK) you import more than you export then things are going to get very expensive.

    Oil for instance is bought using the $, Lets say one week you are getting a barrel of oil for $150, because your £ is worth $1.50 then a barrel of oil costs you £100.

    When your £ plummets and is now only £1 = $1 then the same amount of oil is going to cost you 50% more or £150. This cost is passed onto consumers, these consumers have less money to spend because as the £ plummets the interest rate rises, this puts costs on everything especially mortgages which means less spending, less spending means less tax taken in which further weakens the £, the weaker the currency the more expensive things get.

    Hopefully I have managed to word that right, T'is early and I'm still only half way through my first coffee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭Shelga


    I thought Kamikwasi (great nickname) looked genuinely shaken when that journalist was following him on the street and asking him questions, which of course he did not answer.

    It’s like he can’t actually believe that the markets are not seeing him for the genius that he clearly is, in his own head. And that seems to be Eton in a nutshell.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Problem is that the UK exports very little. London financial services are not very currency sensitive. And it imports a lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Bank of England is trying to stabilise the value of pound vs dollar, via rising interest rates.

    Truss & co are doing the opposite - their tax cut giveaway budget special fiscal operation is causing the pound to devalue. Now you have BoE and Govt doing the opposite to each other, which means interest rates going up but inflation still going up. Its quite literally the worst case scenario. Rising rates mean finance is more expensive, loans etc more expensive. Inflation means your money is not worth as much, all goods more expensive. It is a lose-lose scenario of their own making. Bonkers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    One has to assume that they had a pretty good idea that this market reaction could happen. Maybe they thought it wouldn't, but it must have been raised as a possibility, surely?

    Given that assumption, and with the government it might well be a fool's assumption, what must be the thinking behind this? In the middle of a cost of living crisis, they have ignored the poor and middle classes, instead going full-on to help the rich. They have done nothing in terms of putting in place plans for productivity growth, education, and skills training.

    Truss yesterday is rumoured to be planning to lift immigration rules to allow foreigners to work in the UK, which they need to do since increased investment should mean more jobs but the UK is pretty close to full employment anyway.

    Growth seems to be the plan, that rising waters will lift all boats, but at the same time, they are fighting the unions over pay claims! They want a high-wage economy but are aghast at anyone looking to get a pay rise.

    It doesn't make any sense to me.



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    It’s clear now why Truss suggested removing the independence of the BoE in the leadership context



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Maybe Truss or someone close to her has put in big bets on the market crashing in response to her policies

    Make a quick buck then get voted out of office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That reminds me of the famous scene in Chernobyl when the guy is explaining the cascade effect as the plant and safety features start to work against each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,338 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I think they must have had some idea that this might happen but maybe they thought value of the £ would rebound quickly? I don’t know, their perspective is hard to imagine and I don’t really understand economics.

    I had a feeling this government would be short lived but the wheels appear be coming off even faster than I had anticipated.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think they were caught between the need to be seen to be injecting cash into the system (see todays Budget here in Ireland) and the underlying Tory policy of only helping the rich.

    Because they just aren't very competent they chose the absolute worst combination of options and we are seeing the consequences of their particular blend of panic, incompetence and faux populism.

    You can almost hear the conversation -

    "We have to give people money because of the Inflation thing "

    "Agreed , but we can't give the wasters and Labour voters anything"

    "Right , so we'll cut taxes for the very wealthy and give Bankers huge bonuses - That'll work right?"

    "Definitely - Trickle down and all that , don't you know"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Hoop66



    You're making the mistake of thinking that the people making these decisions aren't imbeciles. We (I am British but have been in Ireland for nearly 25 years) have a cabinet whose only talent is "would vote Brexit through no matter what". That is literally the "skill" they were picked for. Rees-Mogg? James "personally destroyed the concept of Nominative Determinism" Cleverly? Are these the intellectual titans to guide us through these turbulent times? They are not, they are dangerously stupid people.

    What is the cost of lies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Dont forget some of the cabinet are smart but that are also dangerous disaster capitalist who have sold extreme financial policies to the rest of the morons.

    Mogg is probably currently making a bomb off all this currency uncertainty.





  • Brief.

    Like this post.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not usually a fan of Tabloid headlines , but the Daily Star today has a cracker of the genre.

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    Even the Daily Mail aren't being their usual fawning selves with headlines about the exit of multiple Mortgage offers from providers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Like Brexit, it's the self-imposed nature of it that is so confusing. There was no cry for a cut in the top rate of tax. No cry for the increase in bankers' bonuses. They had just announced the energy price cap. Truss' answer to every question about the unfairness etc of it with the pithy "I'm happy to take the unpopular decisions' screamed of arrogance and also she knew this wasn't what people wanted.

    But she failed, utterly, to articulate why she was taking it. Growth. That was it. Everything at the altar of growth. They were unfortunate in the timing of the energy price cap announcement that it was largely forgotten about due to the Queen's death, but they have completely obliterated any goodwill from it now as they appear callous and not caring about those that will suffer the most this winter.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Can't really say much more about this. I wonder if @eskimohunt is around to continue his defence of Truss and her mini-budget.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’ll be the same as the Brexit argument.

    Sunny uplands, need to be patient, short term market sentiment, nothing to see here etc etc



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the UK is the world's fifth largest exporter of goods and services,=at around $770Bn in 2020.

    that's a lot of exports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    What's the proportion of Goods to Services?

    Nate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's still a net importer especially of goods which are what's important in this situation.

    For instance the UK imports 2/3rds of its cheese 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭flatty


    She appointed her own advisors. I honestly think truss main interest is the expense account at her disposal. She has a strong track record of absolute profligacy in this regard



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    you can’t look at it like that.

    1) goods are the important component of that and the trade deficit in goods in 2021 was around $150bn.

    2) services make up around 30% (if I recall correctly) of exports and these are relatively currency proof. A weaker pound will make relatively less difference than for goods. This would include things like the fees that a foreign company will pay to be listed on the London stock exchange, or fees for an international bank to access an exchange or trading platform in London.

    Everyone bashes investment banks, but it’s good job that London exists because the trade surplus in services that it provides offsets some (by no means all) of the goods deficit. Otherwise the UK would be royally screwed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,653 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Current, and future. No matter what happens, after she's PM she'll be on various corporate boards and think tanks and raking in money for herself for no work, being too stupid to actually provide value to these organizations. Her children likely won't have to look hard for jobs, either and probably grandchildren. Definitely pulling the brass ring for being an artful liar and prevaricator.


    No different than the rest of them, tbf. BoJo might spaff out an article once in awhile to keep his name in the press.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭flatty


    I thought that party rules meant they couldn’t have a tilt at her for a year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭PommieBast




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