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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Anyway, we can blame the seagulls for our lack of energy foresight and investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    I see the problem: John Gibbons a known contributor to a smear site founded by Ross Gelbspan and James Hoggan. He is an activist masquerading as a journalist. I've covered his form in another thread previously.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Worldwideweatherattribution is a site whose stated purpose (Dr. Friederike Otto*) is to provide pretext for the advancement of court litigation.


    “Attribution” analysis is specifically criticized by former Obama administration climate scientist Steven E. Koonin in his book, Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters.

    Koonin: "Practitioners argue that event attribution studies are the best climate science can do in terms of connecting weather to changes in climate. But as a physical scientist, I’m appalled that such studies are given credence, much less media coverage. A hallmark of science is that conclusions get tested against observations. But that’s virtually impossible for weather attribution studies. Its like a spiritual adviser who claims his influence helped you win the lottery — after you’ve already won it.


    * One of the top authors of the report, Friederike Otto, even told E&E News in April that’s the reason behind attribution science:“But Friederike Otto, a climate expert at the University of Oxford who has worked with [Myles] Allen, said her efforts to link extreme weather events to climate change have always been tied to the possibility of legal action. ‘Unlike every other branch of climate science or science in general, event attribution was actually originally suggested with the courts in mind,’ she said.” (emphasis added)

    source


    Otto works for the Grantham institute, with funds provided by billionaire financier Jeremy Grantham.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So now they are the answer are they ?

    Hardly a wet week ago you were cheering on a one man and his dog protest in Tynagh in Galway to prevent them being built

    Now if Eamo would also stop acting the fool and do something about ensuring energy security for such plants rather than hand-sitting or shooting of his big gob attempting to make it worse we might be getting somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Energia, who prior to complaining about the price of gas lashed out 40 million to shareholders are not the only one that are at it. SSE Airtricity who promote themselves as "Ireland`s Largest Provider of 100% Green Electricity" and who recently lashed out 150 million, are as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That reminds me of a slogan often used here by a poster before being eventually shown the door, Brokenangel "If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck ......."



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where did I say they were the answer? I refuted the claim made by the previous poster, simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wait how does this work if they are not the answer why are the building them. People suggest Mr Ryan does not like gas. Someone post actually there building gas. You cannot have two contradictory opinions and present them as co existing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What’s the point in building gas power stations if you potentially have no gas for them?

    You seem to keep missing this point? Or rather keep missing it on purpose- but hey ho that’s par for the course with you.

    You still haven’t addressed the real price per KWH of wind when you include gas backup for when the wind doesn’t blow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So just another of your ornamental meaningless post so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    There are powerful people and institutions, state and otherwise, the media and most political parties who push the Green agenda. Some would call that an almost perfect fascist state of affairs.

    Somewhat overlooked in all this is what the 2008 global financial crisis did to the globalists' tactic after all the horrific news about the way that world operates. They found out that, by supporting the Green agenda they could get state contracts, widen their political network and create a powerful feel good factor to drive down the negatives from the crisis. The same goes for everything Woke. Since Twitter is the main pusher of politicians into a particular direction, they hedged their bets. It is advertising in optima forma.

    So, we have a far left middle class badly educated by the boomer generation, most of the media pushing this plus a cabal of mainly very wealthy globalists, an elite if you will, with connections to most politicians who mainly watch where the wind blows from and are easily swayed or bought/transferred to certain positions even if things turn out desastrous. Education, science corrupted, untrustworthy institutions, and enemies (Trump, Putin) to fight.

    If you ignore the particulars it looks like the Weimar republic from where im standing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Still using some gas by 2050 doesn't mean we've failed in our transition. You do realise that there are still some lead water pipes

    Just because we haven't replaced 100% of every single lead water pipe in the country doesn't mean all of our pipes are made of lead and we've made no progress at all. It means getting to 100% gets exponentially more expensive, but if 99% fulfils our goals, that money might be better spent elsewhere

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We're one of the richest countries in the world that regularly gets voted as the top 10% places to live.

    We're not perfect but if people think things are sh1t now when we're at our peak. They've never lived through the 1980s and early 90s.

    We can afford to invest the money now in better infrastructure, better housing, better social services and a better environment

    The anti greens also happen to be the biggest whingers and most self entitled people I've ever seen

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Your biggest criticism of him is that he cannot perform miracles.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    1. That's a complete lie. New gas turbines are being built.

    2. He is doing that because of pragmatism, our long term future is in renewables and ER has advanced that more than any other energy minister through setting the regulatory framework and holding the RESS auctions

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    But are any of his arguments wrong?

    You forgot to address that while you were poisoning the well

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    As I have already answered to your partner in crime- what is the point in building gas turbines if you don’t have a reliable source of gas, nor gas storage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lol. If you're worried about prices you should want as little gas as possible. Gas as a backup instead of a primary source means we need much less gas

    Before you go off on a rant about the EU energy pricing policy, that can, and most likely will, be changed at the stroke of a pen to make gas much less attractive for investment adding to the gas industry more cuts to its death by 1000 cuts

    Decoupling gas prices from energy prices wil mean voters will demand faster rollouts of renewable energy and renewable generation will be able to undercut gas generation

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I agree with all this but why doesn’t ER actually invest in our own supply of gas or gas storage- you know- the main thing that keeps the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    These are specialist turbines that are designed for backup and peak shaving allowing us to shut off the older less efficient power stations which reduces our reliance on gas

    Nobody seriously believes we'll run out of gas in Ireland. If we throw enough money at it, we'll be able to source gas

    Ireland won't have a single supply driven blackout this winter

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,275 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Because that's years away, and even if it came online tomorrow, we'd be paying market rates for it so we might as well just buy it from the UK and get on with building renewable infrastructure

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Decoupling gas prices from energy prices wil mean voters will demand faster rollouts of renewable energy and renewable generation will be able to undercut gas generation

    Yawn, we were originally told that renewables would mean cheaper electricity supply when they were first rolled out en masse. They didn't deliver then.

    We know now after almost two decades that wind turbines can only perform ~30% of the time. If that was any husband, the wife would have kicked him out of the bed long ago.

    You can decouple all you like, and yes it might mean occasional reductions in electricity prices, but the original claim remains a sham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Your reference to the worlds poorest people using a tiny bit of energy to cook food to survive as an excuse for the richest people in the world to not spend money reducing our carbon emissions is pretty pathetic.

    You need to realize some basic facts. The miserable amount of richest people do not have enough of capital to offset what absolute majority of what you call poorest people need (and not even close of capital to cover what they want). So called middle class who are neither rich nor poor is shrinking quite fast migrating to the poor category.

    There will be incomparably more economic migrants than any climate refugees you are trying to conjure out of hot air. (barely any warmer air actually)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    “If we throw enough money at it we’ll be able to secure gas.”


    Ffs! Why don’t we put the money into our own LNG terminal or CNG tanks or barryroe or the extension to corrib exploration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I’ll hold you to that last sentence Akrasia- your a brave person making that statement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Rubbish.

    He is being forced into doing it because too many conventional energy plants were scaled back or shut down on the basis that renewables would fill the gap and they have failed to do that.



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