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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    In my original post I said no excuse for not checking blind spots, but actively sitting in one is going to increase your chances of collision. Find that annoying if you like but the sense of entitlement is ironic really when you think about it.

    But of course why look at that when drivers bad etc..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    You share the road. Good technique involves negotiation. Getting all pissy at every example of bad road use seems pretty sad (and very much fruitless). Not taking responsibility or looking at situations to see what you could have done better.. even sadder imo 🤷🏻‍♀️


    But each to their own. I only comment on these things as I treat these examples as communal learning opportunities. Not everyone sees it that way I guess..

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  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a good attitude to have. Keeping a cool head and not driving/cycling into a situation you see happening in front of you and making it worse is another I try to have.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,010 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    First thing my father taught me was moving forward and backwards to account for blindspots. It is a minimum skill for driving. Does that mean I am going to trust others to do it, of course not. I'd most likely let a roar or slow to either alert the driver or avoid them. Then adapt based on what they do next. As for the video, the cyclist slowed enough that they could stop if necessary. Is anyone in the right or wrong. The driver is certainly in the wrong for poor observation, and therefore not driving without due care and attention. The cyclist you could argue one way or the other but I don't feel that they were in any real danger because they were ready for it. If they hadn't being paying attention then I'd have a different opinion.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,010 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    A neighbour skimmed me on his motorbike this morning. I let a roar and he seemed genuoinely surprised at the shout. It was 7am and no traffic around. I have strong feelings towards heading upto his house this evening and explaing that his overpowered hairdryer still needs to be driven with due consideration.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Absolutely missing the point completely.

    Try not to think about blame. Actually, try not to even go down the rabbit hole of what should happen and what the rules of the road are etc and try and look at what is likely to happen. Or more importantly, try and read a situation and look at what you can do for your own safety.

    I don't cycle or drive in blind spots because I'm worried about the blame game, I don't do it because people are morons and fu*k up all the time.

    I especially try not to double down on that stupidity by then riding or driving into situations that are going to further endanger me. That really is nonsensical to me. Honestly, why would you do that??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Yeah I agree actually due to the speed it turned out safe enough. My blind spot argument is more a generalisation and calling it out for awareness/safety angle. I'm surprised at the amount of people that don't think that way tho.. i.e. observation is the sole responsibility of the driver (who of course could do better here).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Yeah and I'd do the same. But so many people just give a side glance (if you are lucky!) In the mirror. The blind spot being the hidden spot between rear view and wing mirrors. I still wouldn't ride in it (or drive in it is a multi leave road) as you just can't trust people.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Aye, I was sleeping lol just like the cyclist and the driver.. Yeah, unfortunately, the conversation is about blame, I'm choosing not to go down that road and focus on what can be done better in these situations - but if you want to keep it that simple and play the (pointless) blame game.. both f'd up in that clip and probably more so the cyclist *because* they seen it all play out and could have avoided it completely by better reading the road ahead (junctions ahead, 7 seconds of indicators) and generally adopting a better position on the road (avoiding blindspots, for example).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    I generally try not to get into the blame game.. but since you (and others) insist upon it, I obliged and gave my reasons. It's not the gotcha you think it is?

    I find the analysis interesting as this is how people learn (I mean myself here). If you think the only person in that clip that could have done better was the driver, fair enough and then of course we disagree. I (albeit with the hindsight of a video and the comfort of home) seen multiple clues in the lead up to the incident and think I would have handled it differently (L plates, indicators on for relatively decent time, junction ahead) and really don't think I would have been so close to the car, nor would I then cycle into an entirely avoidable event (and yes, the driver had the first opportunity to avoid the event and failed. The cyclist had another chance and also failed).

    Smileys, quotes and digs aside, that's just how I see it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Fair enough, but really what can you do? Honest question. What behaviour can you actually change (and probably getting off topic)?

    The only behaviour I know for sure I can influence is my own. That's often seen as a weakness (words like "acceptance" are a clue to this, sorry if that's not what you meant- or worse have been thrown about when such topics are discussed..) but tbh it's a strength.

    My cycling and driving have improved and stress free rides in most traffic by just focusing on myself and accept that most people are really **** at driving or cycling in traffic and cycling/driving to compensate for that.



    Edit: and to be absolutely clear, I have always been in agreement that the driver could have done better.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,466 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Some drivers even have perceived blindspots in small cars!!! So always beware of people and what they consider "blindspots".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Im sorry you read that as patronising, really. I'm just going for absolute clearest language.

    I have never at any point said that the responsibility for checking and performing observations is anyone but the drivers responsibility (nor that the driver didn't f**k up here). I have only said that sitting in the sweet spot between mirrors, colloquially known as the blind spot, is going to increase risk. I would be worried for anyone that disagrees with that statement and chooses to ride or drive in that position.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    And yes, it's ridiculous in a small car, but some people just don't look, don't adjust mirrors between different drivers or are just clean forgetful/stupid/whatever!

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,010 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Reminds me of that HSA ad where one of the actors came forward and said they were made move to make it appear they were in a blind spot that didn't exist.

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Soooo, any near misses lately?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The reason clip was originally posted was to be portrayed as a victim not for an honest discussion on

    *the failures of either party

    * the best way to deal with similar incidents

    *the law as it pertains to overtaking on the left

    There are loads of situations where a vulnerable road user will be entirely in the right in terms of right of way/the law but should be really careful about being missed by a non observant driver, poor bike path design etc etc.

    Open a thread trying to get such things discussed and watch it die a death. Open one here/facebook/youtube about being a victim of poor driving/an asshole or whatever and watch the traffic and likes flow.

    Social media has greatly amplified the social value we put in victimhood hence the above phenomena

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Absolutely! With big huge L plates on the car!...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You can see in the video that the driver is alone, the L plates are more than likely for someone else, hopefully not being trained by the driver.

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Driver got off on a technicality aka a mistake by the Gardai


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  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    From the comments the OP mentions the driver lawyered up to get her off on the technicality so theres the cost of that I suppose.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Basically what you posted is that according to legislation drivers only need to pay heed to cycle lanes/tracks when stationary/parking but once driving they cease to exist?

    Not much action here the last couple of days, either people like to argue their points or drivers or copping on a bit more, possibly due to a lot more 'education' in relation to cyclists these days

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Jaysis that first clip, and he continues to move towards him when they're stopped. That in itself should warrant a fine for intimidation.

    It's gas how aggressive they are towards cyclists but will purposely drive slow when they have a passenger. I got stuck behind two of them doing 65-70kph on the N4 leaving Dublin city centre one night, purposely not using the bus lane with the second car blocking the overtaking lane.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Exactly, 'professional' drivers my arse.

    Never seems to occur to them that they're actually getting to beat most of the normal traffic, give them a designated lane and they're still not happy, par for the course..

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,010 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Fair play he was so relaxed, I'd have lost it and be up in court by now if that first clip happened to me. Not in a hard man type of way but that is attempted murder in my eyes. He has removed any hope or chance of avoiding a collision if anyone makes one slip up following that close. That should be his taxi license taken from him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Unfortunately not a near miss but just passed a bad looking incident at the Taylors Lane roundabout.

    Hope the cyclist is ok.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Christ I hope she’s okay.

    Terrible infrastructure accompanied by “professional” drivers who also seem to be the most aggressive and ignorant on the road.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yep that's it Seth, had just happened when i passed as no emergency services on scene.

    Young enough girl unfortunately, clearly took a hard fall as she hadn't moved from when i saw her to when those pics were taken.

    Do hope she's ok, quite a sobering image.

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