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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭doc_17


    They’ll most likely have to cancel all 3rd and 4th round FA Cup replays now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The games were called off because fans were not trusted to respect the minutes silence and it would have reflected badly when being shown on TV abroad. Police resources were another reason.

    The minutes silence at Tynecastle the other day was appalling (yes, I am aware it is Scotland), West Ham had to go for a minutes applause instead of silence.

    The reason there is no football this weekend is because of football fans. Nobody else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is plenty of good football on this weekend if you look a little further south 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,513 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    If they’re worried about a minutes silence, not going well, they could just not have one?


    Generally a minutes silence, is a lovely display of respect given, rather than a respect forced.


    But ok, football fans are to blame for hypothetically (and without any evidence that it would even actually happen) not sharing the same sentiments that they’re being told to. Lots of people die without a minutes silence being held across the country and that’s fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    No other sport loves a minutes silence more than football. There's a minutes silence for everyone and anyone. If there isn't a silence for their head of state, that would be a poor reflection. And a minutes applause is inappropriate.

    I think football kicks itself in the foot with having a minutes silence/applause so often (far more than any other sport), because it gets noticed more if there isn't a moment of reflection.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,513 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    No I agree like. But this is the problem. Not football fans not feeling/respecting the people that they’re told to. Some day in this country also, people who are unpopular with large sections of the working classes (Varadkar and Bertie Ahern probably the first examples that come to my mind) are also going to die.


    Surely the appropriate thing to do when this happens is to allow the people who want to grieve/respect do so, and not create forced displays that will only antagonise. If they try do tributes to John Delaney in Irish football stadiums, are you seriously going to try blame the people who react, the way we know they’re going to react?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    Misleading post. It’s not just one cricket game or one rugby game though is it? There’s everything from horse racing to ice hockey and in between taking place this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The GAA won't like you saying that.

    Anyone who attended 1 game in his/her life gets a mention during the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Speaking of himself, I remember Ireland went 11 home games in a row having a minutes silence/applause. He used to arrange them for regional administrators that nobody had ever heard of, to curry favour with the region's. The streak had only been broken because of back to back games and nobody had died in those 3-4 days. Maybe it would be fitting to have one for him 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Not sure how it's misleading - it was in direct reply to someone saying "England playing SA cricket test match today yet no football ffs, farcical." And the single rugby league play-off has also been held up as an example. Most racecards have been lost and even what's going ahead at Doncaster is reduced (2 days racing 15 races have been condensed to 9 races). The handful of county cricket matches scheduled for today were also postponed by the way.

    I just think 'there's a cricket match on, why can't we have 60 football matches?' is a clearly flawed comparison. But again I emphasise that I think football made the wrong call, but the Eng v SA cricket match doesn't prove the point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,513 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    They’ll definitely have one. It’ll definitely go the way we expect. And there’ll definitely be the usual types blaming the ‘sc*mbag football fans’ for not being able to behave the way they’re told.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    What's about the opening weekend of Premiership Rugby Union? I'm currently watching Exeter V Leicester on BT. Their second tier Championship is on too. As is rugby at all levels.

    Cricket isn't just the test match, cricket at all levels is on. Other sports at all levels down to underage are being played in England this weekend. The FA have cancelled everything. Sunday league. Kids football. Everything. It's a complete and utter over reaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Very morbid to be cancelling children's football over this.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    And some fans possibly not respecting the minutes silence is not the reason the games were cancelled. When they do come back there will have to be a minutes silence because there won't already have been one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,513 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I wouldn’t be so sure about those points. I think it’s a factor and am not sure we will see the minutes silence if it’s October 1st when football comes back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    What I can't understand is why people are so surprised about this.

    If an Irish president died in office I'd fully expect all GAA games be they inter-county or club to be postponed on the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,839 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I'm not sure they would be... I think they'd all have a minutes silence, and national anthem and stuff, but I wouldn't be as confident they'd all be cancelled. (unless they clashed with the date of the funeral or something)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The death of a sitting head of state is a big deal, in any state.

    The death of the president of France, the king of Spain, the president of the United States etc, would all mean things like the main sports showing respect by postponing games.

    It's not the Brits just overreacting as many here like to think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,373 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Resent examples are non existent I think.

    Last Irish president to die in office was Erskine Childers in the early 1970s.

    I'd have to research what happened then.

    The last US president to die in office was Kennedy and the NFL played a few days later, something that they have regretted ever since.

    Does anyone actually know what the reaction of the British people has been to this ?

    The people who really understand the monarchy and what it means to the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well you made a pretty sure statement for a man can't think of any examples.

    Soccer fans in the UK seem annoyed and no one else seems to care. Hard to know when you only have Twitter and stuff to go off.

    No English people I know like the monarchy so they are annoyed by all the pomp and overreaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭tombliboo83


    I’m using this time as a chance to reacquaint myself with La liga and serie A. Extended the now tv sports for €10 a month. Premier league will be back soon enough. It’s the fans who had flights, hotels etc booked to attend games that I feel sorry for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,853 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    When is a decision on next weekends games likely to be made ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Pipmae


    I was in Old Trafford on Thursday when the news of her death was released. The fans were glued to the news coverage but there was no obvious outpouring of grief or anything. The place was a bit subdued but only for the fact it was all over the screens I wouldn't have known she had died (I only found out from seeing it on one of the screens).

    I got there quite early as it was my first time and I wanted to watch the pre-match warm up, etc. We got chatting to some of the stewards and security staff and the general consensus was that there was no way they wanted any matches cancelled this weekend but it was inevitable. Any of the fans I spoke to or I heard talking about it were hoping nothing would be cancelled at all. Anyone who travelled a bit of distance (like myself) were very relieved it wasn't cancelled. We were glad UEFA insisted it went ahead (security told us that the Man Utd officials did ask about a cancellation and UEFA said absolutely not as fans were already on the way to the ground and it was too close to kick off).

    The minutes silence was adhered to impeccably and the Real Sociedad fans were excellently behaved inside and outside the stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I hate how the minutes silence has turned to applause in the GAA simply because the people were copying what they saw the soccer ones do on the tv. Yes, Hill 16, I’m looking at you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,513 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Any particular reason you hate it? A mark of respect is a mark of respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebelomar


    I'd be very surprised if games went ahead. Policing will be a big issue with the funeral next weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Maybe after a week of mourning, they will realise a week is more than eneogh . She was 96 , lived a long and privelleged life, perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No because policing will genuinely be an issue for the funeral. At the very least games in and around London would be fked.

    They should have seen that and played this week but we're too busy trying to look the good patriots.



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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Policing will be the reason next week's game is called off, if it is.

    Tbh, I'm on the fence whether to call it off or not. A four week league break at a time when Liverpool are struggling for first team players is like a gift tbh.

    Chelsea with the new manager bounce wouid be a very tricky fixture.

    Hopefully they just decide asap either way.



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