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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,875 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Yes. And it should be clear to anyone who knows anything about that city, why they choose to do so.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is not the same thing but in some way it is similar and I think it could explain a lot of the soccer's thinking around this.

    In November 1963 JFK was shot on a Friday and a full slate of NFL games went ahead on the Sunday.

    The NFL took enormous flack for that for decades.

    It was not until 2001 that they managed to in some way redeem themselves.

    After 9/11 (a Tuesday) they were first out of the gate to announce that the following Sunday's games would be cancelled.

    No one has brought up the playing after JFK killing since.

    Now as I said they are different, the above were tragic unexpected events.

    But as the biggest sport in the UK the soccer authorities don't want to be seen as disrespectful.

    Rugby League can go ahead, it has a much smaller market than soccer, but playing soccer this weekend would inevitably lead to a backlash and the soccer authorities don't want such a backlash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well it seems the backlash will come from not playing.

    Fans want the games played and should come before pearl clutching auld ones and twitter moaners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69



    JFK was assassinated and was young. That was a tragedy. 9/11 a terrorist attack, a lot of people dead.

    the queen lived almost a 100 years in luxury and died in her bed. Not a tragedy, no need to take the football away.

    I was indifferent to her death but am now quite resentful that football has been taken away for potentially two weeks.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I said it was different in the opening line of my post.

    But I think it was part of the thinking.

    Soccer doesn't want to be seen to be disrespectful.



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    But the fans don't matter.

    They are stupid and that has been proven for so many years by the way they accept the price increases on tickets, merch etc

    The way they came flooding back to clubs that tried to turn the whole system upside down with the Super League idea.

    It general opinion that matters, and soccer doesn't want to be remembered for decades as being the sport that didn't care about the death of the queen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It's a function of modern PR and the power of the twitteratti - the EPL didn't want to get left behind in the virtue signalling around the death, and probably misread the room slightly, or at the very least erred on the side of caution.

    A really poor decision though, really calls into question the judgement of the people running the league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    England playing SA cricket test match today yet no football ffs, farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Seemingly 'Bruno' is a real person and is in fact a Brighton legend

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    Although it looks like he's going to Chelsea with Potter so I wouldn't be backing him too heavily for the Brighton job...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Comparing one cricket test match, or the two rugby league playoffs matches to SIXTY professional football matches in England isn't really a valid comparison though.

    If there was one just game of football scheduled for this weekend (e,g, an international qualifier or a playoff final) then I'd expect it go ahead.

    I'm as annoyed as anyone that there's no football (the sporting schedules are very bare) and I think the decision was a mistake but "wah, there's a cricket match going ahead, and a racecard at Doncaster, and a rugby league playoff" isn't the killer point people think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,797 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    That's a large part of why I think the matches were cancelled. And they'd be even more vocal north of the English border.

    It's a nonsense to call the matches off. And next weekend too, in a season that's already congested enough. Throw another COVID overreaction this Winter in there as well and it could be a right mess at the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,875 ✭✭✭doc_17


    They’ll most likely have to cancel all 3rd and 4th round FA Cup replays now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The games were called off because fans were not trusted to respect the minutes silence and it would have reflected badly when being shown on TV abroad. Police resources were another reason.

    The minutes silence at Tynecastle the other day was appalling (yes, I am aware it is Scotland), West Ham had to go for a minutes applause instead of silence.

    The reason there is no football this weekend is because of football fans. Nobody else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is plenty of good football on this weekend if you look a little further south 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,119 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    If they’re worried about a minutes silence, not going well, they could just not have one?


    Generally a minutes silence, is a lovely display of respect given, rather than a respect forced.


    But ok, football fans are to blame for hypothetically (and without any evidence that it would even actually happen) not sharing the same sentiments that they’re being told to. Lots of people die without a minutes silence being held across the country and that’s fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    No other sport loves a minutes silence more than football. There's a minutes silence for everyone and anyone. If there isn't a silence for their head of state, that would be a poor reflection. And a minutes applause is inappropriate.

    I think football kicks itself in the foot with having a minutes silence/applause so often (far more than any other sport), because it gets noticed more if there isn't a moment of reflection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,119 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    No I agree like. But this is the problem. Not football fans not feeling/respecting the people that they’re told to. Some day in this country also, people who are unpopular with large sections of the working classes (Varadkar and Bertie Ahern probably the first examples that come to my mind) are also going to die.


    Surely the appropriate thing to do when this happens is to allow the people who want to grieve/respect do so, and not create forced displays that will only antagonise. If they try do tributes to John Delaney in Irish football stadiums, are you seriously going to try blame the people who react, the way we know they’re going to react?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    Misleading post. It’s not just one cricket game or one rugby game though is it? There’s everything from horse racing to ice hockey and in between taking place this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The GAA won't like you saying that.

    Anyone who attended 1 game in his/her life gets a mention during the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Speaking of himself, I remember Ireland went 11 home games in a row having a minutes silence/applause. He used to arrange them for regional administrators that nobody had ever heard of, to curry favour with the region's. The streak had only been broken because of back to back games and nobody had died in those 3-4 days. Maybe it would be fitting to have one for him 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Not sure how it's misleading - it was in direct reply to someone saying "England playing SA cricket test match today yet no football ffs, farcical." And the single rugby league play-off has also been held up as an example. Most racecards have been lost and even what's going ahead at Doncaster is reduced (2 days racing 15 races have been condensed to 9 races). The handful of county cricket matches scheduled for today were also postponed by the way.

    I just think 'there's a cricket match on, why can't we have 60 football matches?' is a clearly flawed comparison. But again I emphasise that I think football made the wrong call, but the Eng v SA cricket match doesn't prove the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,119 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    They’ll definitely have one. It’ll definitely go the way we expect. And there’ll definitely be the usual types blaming the ‘sc*mbag football fans’ for not being able to behave the way they’re told.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    What's about the opening weekend of Premiership Rugby Union? I'm currently watching Exeter V Leicester on BT. Their second tier Championship is on too. As is rugby at all levels.

    Cricket isn't just the test match, cricket at all levels is on. Other sports at all levels down to underage are being played in England this weekend. The FA have cancelled everything. Sunday league. Kids football. Everything. It's a complete and utter over reaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Very morbid to be cancelling children's football over this.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    And some fans possibly not respecting the minutes silence is not the reason the games were cancelled. When they do come back there will have to be a minutes silence because there won't already have been one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,119 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I wouldn’t be so sure about those points. I think it’s a factor and am not sure we will see the minutes silence if it’s October 1st when football comes back.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What I can't understand is why people are so surprised about this.

    If an Irish president died in office I'd fully expect all GAA games be they inter-county or club to be postponed on the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,825 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I'm not sure they would be... I think they'd all have a minutes silence, and national anthem and stuff, but I wouldn't be as confident they'd all be cancelled. (unless they clashed with the date of the funeral or something)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The death of a sitting head of state is a big deal, in any state.

    The death of the president of France, the king of Spain, the president of the United States etc, would all mean things like the main sports showing respect by postponing games.

    It's not the Brits just overreacting as many here like to think it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




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