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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    At the start of 2021, and up until April 2021, the headline Energia rate was 19.38 cent.

    It will soon be 44.44 cent.

    In 18 months, there has been a 129% increase in the unit rate.


    Okay, in my contract, for first 12 months, I was getting 41% off during 2021, now 40% off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You cannot simply have everyone live in cities - it is not feasible nor should it be a desierable outcome. You NEED people to live in rural locations and I would argue, in the current state of things, need to make this apealing to people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    On what basis do you need people to live in rural locations, outside of towns and villages? Our ribbon development and once-off housing is unsustainable living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭Patsy167


    There is reason for hope that the future cost of living crisis will not be as bad as first feared if the Irish Government follow the lead by the British Government and introduce measures to cap bills.

    Energy bills to be capped at £2,500 for typical household

    UN FAO's global food prices fall for fifth month in a row




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭fliball123


    As we currently have not got enough houses to house people or maybe you missed the whole housing crisis that has been here for the guts of 5 years or so. So what does anyone living in a rural setting do? Do they all buy tents and move to Dublin? Maybe they should walk to Dublin as well ye know to save the planet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We can't do anything about the people already living in rural areas, but we should strengthen the limits on new rural housing, banning it outside of towns and villages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭fliball123


    So you're (and probably the green) solution is a big F-U to these people living rurally and don't let anyone else live out there ever again? Do you not think these people should be getting some kind of bang for their buck in the taxes they pay. The fact is diesel should have no more tax put on it in fact tax on petrol/diesel/oil and gas should be taken away completely until we are out of the woods with regards to the cost of living/housing/energy crisis/upcoming recession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We can't force people to move to towns and villages, but we can use taxes and grants as incentives to get them to move. So we should increase taxes on diesel - I mean, that is what the carbon tax is all about.

    We will never be out of the woods until we stop burning fossil fuels. Worrying about people being able to drive their unnecessarily big SUVs down country roads should take second place to the planet running out of resources and climate change making it more difficult to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Move where? my god are you listening to yourself. I will type this out slowly and in caps WE. ARE. IN. A. HOUSING. CRISIS. So answer my question move where???? Do we want 4/5 families or 20 people in the typical 3 bedroom gaff as can be seen currently in some areas of Dublin?

    Its the likes of you with your delusions that a few SUVs in a small country out on the most western part of Europe is the driver of all woes related to the current climate change when the fact is we could all get rid of all cars and any other product or service that interferes and impacts our planet with regards to climate and the world will still be no better off as long as China and the US (who make up almost 50% of emissions) are doing what they are doing. But you think put more taxes on diesel as people in rural areas will have to pay it as they have no other valid options (even do the greens and government knew about it 20 years ago, like how long do they want) but to drive and that will help that poor Ozone layer. You really need to wake up and smell what your shoveling. The greens will be obliterated all over Europe in up coming elections as rolling blackouts are introduced. I do actually agree with a lot of what the greens are trying to do but there needs to be options for people to move onto first, but when it comes to keeping warm and the current cost of energy and the fact that a hell of a lot of what we pay for that energy is tax this will come to the fore soon enough in the next G.E and the greens will be done for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You e obviously no interest in farming, tourism or any industry that requires wide open spaces and large tracts of land etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't disagree with the general point of reducing fossil fuel use/carbon emissions etc but forcing everyone to move into cities is completely pie in the sky stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ceacescu will never be dead with the likes of you around- sure why not bulldoze all the one off houses and move the peasants into high rise modular apartment blocks on the edges of towns- they’d be much happier and more “sustainable”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Firblog


    people being able to drive their unnecessarily big SUVs


    There are prob more big SUV's being driven in the leafy suburbs of Dublin than the rural areas of any province



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    SUVs are mostly a Dublin vehicle but are reasonably common in the rest of the country.



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SUV is an easy fix. Do you have a herd number or relevant business?

    No? Here's a massive increase on Motor tax for any new one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Most of the people living in one-off houses are not involved in farming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Not forcing everybody, but adapting policies to encourage sustainable living, which includes no more one-off housing.

    We have known about this problem since 1976, yet the only party saying anything on it are the Greens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    excellent post - D4 yummy mummy brigade will not be happy about that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You're softening your tone a bit - reality tends to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    So why do you think they are living where they are?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Never said that people should be forced to move, just that the State should encourage them through taxation and incentives to move. Cigarettes are taxed heavily to encourage people to stop smoking but nobody is forced to stop smoking.

    I am sure that people have their own reasons for living in the countryside, that is their business, but it is not a choice based on future sustainable living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Well, unless you own or work on a farm or are involved with an activity that requires wide open spaces or remoteness or because you cannot afford to live in a city or you chose to bring up your family in a safer less expensive area or are involved in tourism or so on.

    Interesting that you chose to make a comparison on disencentivising smoking, a behaviour that is known to kill you and lead to all kinds of bad outcomes with living in a rural area, a behaviour that generally leads to better health outcomes than the alternatives and and activity that people have very little choice in.

    Says a lot about your feelings towards rural Ireland.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    According to the Sunday Indo every household is going to get a 600e energy credit over the winter. It will be paid in 3 installments, with the first being paid before Christmas and the remaining two after. That should help alleviate some of the costs of electricity for people in the coming months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,343 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Public transport has been transformed over 20 years, with the Luas lines, increased use of private services like Aircoach, Mortons, Finnegans and theh like. BusConnects is rebuilding out bus networks from scratch, including 24 hour bus services.

    If you choose to live on a bohereen in the back of beyond, you're never going to have easy access to public transport, but that's your decision.

    S

    Surely you're not admitting that the free market economy (that you constantly beat up public sector staff for not complying with) is all a sham and doesn't work? Are there no builders willing to compete to get business at lower prices?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    UNSUSTAINABLE LIVING MY ARSE, I live in rural Ireland on my family farm, we grow our own veg, have off season veg grown in our Polytunnel over the winter, we eat our own beef and lamb get a local abattoir and butcher to cut them up. Any brown bin waste is put into a compost bin, once composted is mixed with our dung heap from the farm and either spread back onto land or used in the raised beds for the tunnel. And I am only a clown.

    Stop pushing your agenda of lets put everyone into cities or towns, I love where I lived, I will not live anywhere else and there is nothing more SUSTAINABLE than the way I am living at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It will certainly be a help to households but for businesses it is immaterial.


    Doing nothing is the main strategy.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No because not all builders can do the work. You have to have a builder on an approved list to be able to avail of the grant. And that’s a much smaller number. And in any case, all the power is with the builders. There have been loads of examples given on this thread of quotes from approved builders being different by the size of the grants. A few months ago I posted two quotes showing the SEAI builder charging the exact amount of the grant more than my local builder for some very simple work. It’s a scam that just lines the pockets of the building trade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,116 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    From staples like bread and butter, to postal services, to health services including clinics and hospitals, to schools, universities, to the 100% reliance of the car, your laudable efforts to be sustainable are only a drop in the ocean of the bigger unsustainability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Cram everyone into cities as thing become sustainable then, living in cities creates GDP. That's the reason they want us living in cities not because of sustainability or green agendas.

    Think about it what GDP am I creating by living in rural Ireland, apart from diesel I realistically could be self sufficient on the rest, and hence no spending no debt creation no GDP.

    If I lived in Dublin city (I have aswell thankfully back home) I would literally have nothing to do bar spend money inorder to entertain myself and that's what they want GDP, and spend money on needless materialistic crap shipped from across the world but hey we're all sustainable and up to our eyeballs in debt and nothing to show for it bar a 2 bed apartment that you couldn't swing a cat in.

    I'm sorry, there is alot of people who will never leave there home or rural town land, likewise there are lots of inner city folk who couldn't imagine themselves ever living in the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,343 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So more builders can get themselves onto the SEAI approved list, and compete for the business with lower prices? @fliball123 spends all day telling us about how the private sector models are flawless and perfect and work every time, so I'm really surprised to see him telling us that capitalism doesn't work.



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