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The deterioration of IT

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,546 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    On my gas bill from Energia the GPRN is 7 digits with 1 leading zero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    If the GPRN is the only number you are worried about on a gas bill then you're doing ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    These decisions are made all the time due to other restrictions in work environments. You don't make something idiot proof because they will make a better idiot. It stops unnecessary time wasting and gets the desired outcome of somebody contacting the service desk when they should without panic. It works better than giving them the full information and support know what the errors mean and they are the ones that need the information not the user.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,490 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    That's more down to business analysts. Programmers will release any old shite if you let them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Bank of Ireland app was not even displaying the euro symbol until recently IIRC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Software design has gone to shyte over the years, a lot of it thanks to the likes of Microsoft.

    Yeah I know I sing this tune regularly, but they were one of the prime movers in the way software was developed being the leading player in the industry.

    There is no other industry where you sell a customer something and it is up to them to continously find the issues and try fix them.

    And where it is expected it is going to have to be fixed the minute you start using it.

    Imagine you buy a new car and it needs an engine change the minute you buy it.

    Actually scrub that, the software on cars often has to be upgraded nowadays.

    This development lifecycle has come across into other areas like vehicles, medical systems and of course the most glaringly biggest fookup of all, the 737 Max.

    You can get away with poorly designed software in things like a PC or phone, but not in something that flies through the sky at 35,000 feet.

    Fookups there don't end well.


    Showing my age, but back in the early days software had to be well designed, well built when processing power, especially memory and disk space was a premium with sever limitations.

    Now you can cobble together anything and who cares if it comes in a 4GB downloadable file (disk and DVD now long gone), needs to run 10 services, a dozen processes, takes 2GB memory to run and is riddled with memory leaks eating up even more memory once you do anything.


    And don't get me started on modern fooking websites.

    You go onto likes of Vodafone to be greeted with big pictures of a someone holding a phone up to their ear, or right now a kid and parent looking at a computer screen.

    We all fooking know what a phone looks like and how to use the fooking thing without being shown a fooking picture.

    We almost all fooking know what a laptop looks like and how you view one.

    To get to relevant links you have to scroll for pages full of large images offering nothing, of course except pictures that pander to the obligatory box ticking inclusivity mullarkey where almost every pic has to have equal makeup of men/women, black/white/yellow/red, disabled, etc, etc.

    Funnily enough they never have fat, old, balding types.

    EDIT: three.ie is even worse now.

    It is even more of a joke when you view things like equipment for service or engineering industry to be greeted with images of gorgeous spotlessly clean clothed women using the equipment in a work environment.

    And yes I know a lot of that may be down to morons who call themselves marketing executives.

    Yeah I know websites are built to be cross platform, but they often stink and end up looking like Fisher Price built them.

    Ok rant over, now back to trying to get yet another piece of god forsaken software to run again.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,934 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What it does is great a complete unnecessary support process loop, and you treat users like mushrooms.

    Its creating work (especially for IT) when the objective should be to eliminate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Exactly. Many places scrimp on BA and just have the programmers do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,934 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,934 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    I am talking about a GPRN (gas), I haven't seen one with 8 digits before (in dealing with several relatives accounts).

    Alun has confirmed a seven digit GPRN with one leading zero. Still not eight. It all highlights a lack of standardisation causing unnecessary confusion for the consumer. It is probably more in the remit of the CRU to clarify and specify technical and billing requirements (god help us)🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,934 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    True... I was thinking of my own example stated, where the front load zero digits were not displayed. Right... I'm bowing out at this stage. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    I'm guessing, they used a number field instead of text. Then didn't validate it (or test it) or do sanity checks on the database.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    There are 4 possible explanations for the issue:

    1 - Red Green Refactor: The code met all the acceptance scenarios.

    2 - Agile: Pump it out and fix it in a subsequent iteration.

    3 - Lazy developer (offshore contractor)

    4 - Some nutter in the biz, explicitly wanted exactly what is there, and told the dev to remove his trailing zeros rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,113 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    no one in Ireland even had a Puter 40 years ago so you'd have to say IT has gotten a lot better in the last 40 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Or maybe

    Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.


    Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.


    In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and nobody knows why. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Maybe Ray had a calculator, the old ones even look like PCs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    In fairness, a lot of times the fault is the code on the web the developer is copying off rather than a mistake by the developer.

    ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Absolutely nothing to do with a BA. They are barely computer literate in most IT companies especially compared to the rest of the company. They in noway would know GUI standard icons and their use that is a programmers job all the way and the testers to also know. If a tester sees a non standard use of an icon they go to the development team to make sure they know the standards as you say because they will release whatever they are allowed.

    Usually what happens is development are shown their bad work and say they don't have time to correct it and BA agree. They claim they will fix it later and then never do so the standard is never followed. The users don't really notice as they don't use enough software to notice it is badly done so they sign off.

    This is in corporate software mostly but has crept into consumer software as the developers have been held to a low quality standard elswhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Classic.

    The developer bypassing the BA. Then when they get called out on the utter monkey puzzle they threw together, refusing to change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I never said it was unnecessary because it is required. We want them to report the problem if it occurs not ignore it nor panic. It is a choice on how to deal with a real issue that may occur and can't be eliminated.

    The users are mushrooms in many case are barely IT literate and easily scared. We changed the message for the very reason the staff freaked out and/or ignored errors. Also used intentionally sometimes to find staff gaming the system. Works extremely well this way whether you think it is a good solution or not. Less panic and more accurate reporting.

    Very common practice. Warning message are meant to be user friendly but errors reports only need to be understood by certain people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They should at least test it. Of course thats not their job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,490 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    It shouldn't be a testers job to make decisions about how an icon looks. If an inconsistent icon is what the BAs want, that's what they get.



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