Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

This winter is going to be hell for low income workers. They won't even be near the 40% bracket. Getting a back dated payment will help them quite a lot. Maybe not enough, the outlook is bleak, i don't think people appreciate just how bleak it is. The alternative of no deal with no back pay and no increase of any kind would be an absolute disaster. Sometimes you have to play it safe. This isn't a deal to be miffed imo.

Loueze, I get where you are coming from but do you realistically think we could ever get a deal as high as you seem to be looking for? There is zero chance of getting a substantially higher increase. Even if there was industrial action, we wouldn't get it and any actions would simply turn the public against us. I remember standing outside our building as a CO the last time after the massive cuts we all took, and the only reward we got was being down the wages for the day for our efforts. It made no difference and personally, I don't want to do it again.

When the figures came out following the initial talks, I was surprised at the figures that were offered and happy that the unions thought that they could get even more than that. They went ahead and achieved it and I am very happy with what they have accomplished.

Even though all the increases we are to receive will be eaten up by inflation (and some more on top of that), I genuinely think it is a great deal and definitely the best we are going to get in the short to medium term.

My wife became an EO in 2020. Is she eligable to skip point 4 on the increment scale? She's just trying to work out what her pay will be next year along with the raise.

Am I correct in saying the 3% is backdated on your current salary, and the 1% is on your current salary plus the 3%? So if you were on 30,000 its 3% of 30,000 = 30,900 from Feb. Then in October it's 1% on 30,900 ? So it's not 4% of your current salary it's a little more ?

The October 1% is less than €500 so in this case, new salary would be €31,400.

Ya, they'll have trouble recruiting and retaining COs. I reckon a new entrant CO will get no more Net Pay out of this than a CO on top of the scale.

Haha are you kidding nothing can burst this self interest groups bubble, have at it lads, nothing to see at all, everything is hunky dory. Increments all around. I have been pointing to external factors ad infinitum and I keep getting scoffed at. My retort is give it a year and we will see who was right.

Yeah, so much for solidarity.

I think this is a pretty good deal and I’d expect it to pass handily

rough calc

35k >> gross increases to 36,550 (3%+500) - net pay increases >>31.41 pf - 68.3 per month - 819.6 per year

50k >>gross increases to 52,000k (3%+1%) - net pay increases >>>34.27 pf or 74.5 per month - 894.04 per year

(includes taxes, pensions and union sub deductions!)

I don't blame you looking for it with inflation, but it has to be paid for by the tax payers and course the vast majority of private sector are not getting a pay rise. So in 12 - 24 months time we will reap what we sow by chasing inflation now but like I say I am scoffed at for pointing out the threats that are already here and the ones to soon be upon us and there will be a recession in the next 6 to 12 months and their is going to be an absolute sh1tshow with regards to employment in the private sector, this is unavoidable now unless the government step in and support them again like Covid, yet I cant see this happening. So our current situation of full employment, taxes overflowing in the coffers is going to be ending fairly soon and our welfare will be on the rise again.. Anyone who thinks little auld Ireland is going to sail through this with our current financial paradigm, over reliance on MNCs, the ever increasing inflation on energy, the continuation of emigration inwards to Ireland where these people all have to be supported and the 3 most influential countries (UK, US and Germany) all showing signs of either being in a recession or going into one, lets see how the government of the day get through this with out the capability to borrow at cheap interest rates. I also never said you guys were not going to be getting pay rises, I did argue against giving them but I have said time and again why would the government who are sitting across the table from the unions do anything that would take money from their own pocket. Remember they get these pay rises too.

Thats because both sides of the table get it , why wouldn't they be happy about it.

Why did HSE staff not get the 1% last February?