Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

Do try to keep up. If you’re talking about “the last 15 years” why choose 2014 to 2021 to say that “public sector pay rose by over 10%”? Because that conveniently leaves out the fact that public-sector pay (and conditions) underwent savage cuts from 2009 to 2013 and that the increases from 2014 onwards were largely pay restoration.

5% is stupidly low. When everything is rising over that. Nothing less than 10% should be accepted when a first year CO is barely able to keep bread on the table I'm regional area with low bills to pay.

The CS has **** all to offer anymore other than a decent culture. No flexibility ( I know they promise its coming).

Blended working is a **** show.

No perks

They offer security but if I'm genuinely struggling to buy actual bread what's the point in working for stability in 10 years.

I'll be voting to strike if its anything short of 10% this year!

I have explained the reasoning before for picking 2014. 2014 is deemed the year (by most experts, google away if you want) we were fully out of the last recession. Public sector pay cuts when you look at pay per person had been reversed and the numbers that were cut as in the light touch voluntary redundancy were also reversed. 2021 I picked as that was when the current period of (temporary) hyper inflation began.

Laugh away, the fact is there were pay cuts in the public sector (remember one was a contribution to a defined benefit) and all the while even during the worst of the last recession increments were still being paid and it meant that in 2014 we were paying more per head in the public sector than at any time previous so yeah the pay cuts had been reversed.

What about it? It ignores the pay incremental system being a pay rise. The fact is pay per head recovered after the cuts in 2014 in the public sector. The sh1te of use of the word "restoration" is parlor trick used by the unions.

why would we include pension related deductions, god forbid you cover some cost of your own pension and in 2022 you lads are still not covering the full cost. Take home pay is less because we all got hit with increases in tax, your spinning now with the take home pay narrative.

Unfortunately the private sector dont have the gun to the head approach that the public sector unisons use.

Does the money go into a pension fund? No.

Do those with no pension entitlement still have to pay it? Yes.

What it is is a special surtax for those working in the public sector. The history of how it came about makes this clear.

If they’d called it the “World Peace Related Deduction,” gullible rubes would be complaining that “the public sector doesn’t want to do their bit for world peace!”

Go ahead do enlighten me :) as far as I tell no one has made a valid argument against what I have put up. I have put up pointers to where the global economy is going. This kind of response is typical when you have no argument to make. Good man

Does the amount paid by public sector workers cover the full cost of their public sector pensions - NO. Who pays the rest? Answer = the private sector (many of whom have not got the cash to cover a pension for themselves)... So a contribution to a defined benefit is what it is. Where the powers that be put the money that comes in from this is neither here nor there. Its not like road/car tax goes into funding the phucking maintenance of our roads. It goes into one pot and the same pot of money is used to pay out for public sector pensions now and in to the future.

Well played sir , responding during work hours, who are you the pot or kettle :)

Nobody bothers giving a valid argument to the annoying drunk ‘enlightening’ people in a pub either

A days leave…so like the rest of your assumptions this one has left you looking fairly stupid.

I have put the links up pointing to a global recession , there is a phucking thread on here about it if anyone wishes to look. Once again its this kind of post that shows your lack of intelligence. Good man "short sighted", Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Helen Keller can see the globe is heading into a recession. But like I say keep your head in the sand.

Good to see that your paying attention that 2 are dead :) good that you can see past my facetious approach when it comes to that post... What am I missing then with regards to the upcoming recession then go on fill me in? You have pointed out 2 out of the 3 people I mockingly said could see what's coming are dead, any other pearls of wisdom with regard to the recession?