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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Some mightn't be there for financial gain, but might be there on principle - Which I fully am on board with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Me going 10mins away 12km return journey for 186.9 diesel vs 199 diesel is worth it to me. That's 15euro difference in the tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭carzony


    A slight overnight rise where I am from 1.80 to 1.84/85 a litre of petrol..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Mimikyu


    The 199.9 garages jumped up to 210.9 and 204.9 this morning and the other one only went up a cent to 196.9.

    Funnily these two garages would have been two of the cheaper garages around before the prices soared now they’re the most expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    You have a 115½L fuel tank !!


    I'm all for saving money on the fill, but I buy from the cheapest station that'll be on my route, taking into account discounts.

    Which means I end up topping off the tank when I might be at ¾ or ½ full.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,001 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Cheapest “brand” I can find seem to be the cetra stations that Are part of Tesco I think.

    Handy that you can use the club card vouchers to buy fuel and every time you fill up this puts points on your club card app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    DCC own Certa. They also own Emo Oil. Operate many Esso stations in France, and businesses in UK and Scandinavia.

    Turnover of about €14 Billion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭flexcon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Can I ask why you would want to leave your engine idling away for 20mins+..?? Apart from noise & poisoning those all around you. If you did that in my estate, i'd probably run a pipe from your exhaust in your driver window....🤐



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I ask anyone idling outside of my house to turn off their engine. No one has ever said no. It’s an utterly ignorant and selfish thing to do



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Nice drop back to $95 a barrel for Brent crude.

    I assume we'll see the garages drop their price as quick as they ramped them up....some chance... Somehow their deliveries seem to last a lot longer in their tanks when the price is dropping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Alonzo Mosley


    That's good, prices in Swords are beginning to creep up again, petrol gone for 182 to 186 a litre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Euro dropped against the Dollar again, so minimal savings

    Also price of refinement of diesel creeped up again so, yeah, unlikely to make much change



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Diesel refining is around $60/bbl at the minute with petrol still down around $14/bbl. The dollar euro exchange rate isn’t helping either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Big drops this morning around me. Down to 174



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭enfant terrible



    Is petrol refining always so much cheaper than diesel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It all seems to be creeping back towards €2 a litre again, especially on diesel.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Like I just posted, big drop around me. 24c differential now at my local garage between petrol and diesel….going opposite directions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Wow that’s good to hear so. Been rising by a few cent over the last week everywhere that I’ve seen in Clare/Limerick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    Diesel now more expensive here in the Netherlands. Usually it's a 30c difference but increasing diesel refining margins have eaten away that difference.

    Germany have reversed their reduction in fuel duties, so petrol prices shot up overnight by about 35c per litre on 1st Sept. Petrol price now on par with NL.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    It was 169.9 at Caseys in Roscommon town, the Texaco 174.9 and 179.9 from what I remember at Corrib Oil. Roscommon Town seems to always be one of the cheapest areas I pass through. Price has not dropped below 182.9 in Bray since the last large price rise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Price differential is now noticeable between petrol and derv. In the towns around me there's 25-30 cents per liter in the difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Crude down to $88 a barrel now. A sign of things to come I suppose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I wonder if the astronomical gas and elec prices will cause oil to start dropping like a stone in price?

    Wishful thinking I suppose, but if the EU does price cap russian oil then we can forget about sub 100 dollar barrels for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    EV's dream just got more expensive. Again.

    Lithium price hit new record and lithium market is expected to fold in 2025 simply because there is not enough of it. Pray for new miracle technology and that they finally crack lithium recycling which is still pretty much non-existent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    I doubt there's much available for recycling yet. Will be another few years before any sort of significant number of EV batteries reach end of life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Incorrect. Majority of car batteries are made of 18650 cells which are for example used predominantly in laptop batteries. Plenty of other tools use this type of cells.

    As of this moment they are being buried in the ground as there is no viable method or technology to recycle them and recover metals they contain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Batteries are not being buried in the ground. What a silly uninformed ludicrous comment. With the price of batteries and components at the moment anything available is being scavenged.

    EV batteries are not even nearly end of life yet, really, except some early leafs which with 10-12kWh available energy would and do make good second life use in domestic storage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Nothing silly, uninformed or ludicrous about that. Simple facts which somehow tarnish that fantastic "EV's for everyone" wet dream.

    You seems to be confused in regards to amounts involved. As it happens I know a bit about recycling of lithium batteries. Those are here for quite some time so your comment about "how EV batteries are not even nearly end of life yet" is attempt to deflect from single fact that there is no solution for recycling them and to this date apart from some test plants nobody is recycling them.

    What you call "scavenging" is happening quite a long time primary source is battery pack like laptop battery. Cells capacity varies from 20-60% and even cells with 80% capacity can be found. Semi good cells end up in power-walls where they can work for some time but after some use and loss of capacity they go to the same place where corroded, shorted and 20% or less capacity cells end up.

    Buried in landfill, since recycling them is more expensive and not environmentally friendly. It is far cheaper to mine minerals at this moment than trying to recover them from used lithium batteries.

    If you still think this is silly uninformed or ludicrous be so kind and show me where is lithium batteries recovery and recycling done and show me the numbers involved :)



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