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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    On Tuesday I paid under €2/litre for the first time since getting a petrol car again in June. €1.979 paid (in the Netherlands). Now most places are just under the €2.

    But in Germany it's 30c per litre less and in Belgium 20c less 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Lanzarote is 1.53 for petrol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭9935452


    23 pesos in cancun for petrol, witch is about 1.15 euros



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    €1.80 petrol Tesco Wexford



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    Petrol 1.83 in apple green booterstown



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I see some articles in German media, they were competing that stations are gouging, following the tax cuts on fuel.

    They are starting an investigation, and fines to follow.

    That will never happen here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,540 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Diesel down here in Limerick on Saturday was 182.9, petrol was 178.9. Seems to be rising again with many places now charging 189.9 for diesel. Petrol only rising 1c or 2c.

    Home heating oil (kerosene) jumped in the last few days too, 500 litres cost €620 last Thursday, costing €660 today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Diesel on the up, and home heating oil up 10¢.

    If your local station has a good price, top up. It's not getting any better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Alonzo Mosley


    Petrol 1.82 Applegreen North Street Swords



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭flexcon


    I am one of those people. It's been a while!

    So after about an hour of internet, driving around, and a few phone calls here is the be all and end all.

    There is now proper evidence that some individual garage owners are in fact price gouging for the past month. Hardly news, but the evidence is strongly there now.

    I say this because for various reasons but in essence, in cork City, we have Maxol, Circle K, Top and Swift - all within 2c of each other

    176.9 unleaded

    180.9 diesel.

    And these garages are scattered around the place, from the city, to the east and onto fermoy. There is no consistency

    So as a level headed man would say - Circle K is one of the cheapest in Cork county, so it puts to bed any wholesale or company wide gouging.

    It's the individual forecourts. Prices at this stage should be no MORE than 182 unleaded and 184 diesel. If it's above that, then yes - price gouging. ( take these numbers as that is the maximum a garage could charge while maintaining a sub 6c per litre profit when you factor in the various costs)

    now I am off to eat my own hat, and to swallow a hard pill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Nowhere near 173.9 for Unleaded anywhere near me in Dublin. Nor is it within 3c of 182, so there is definitely something at play here. I understand that costs in Dublin are higher, however, but a 14c discrepancy from East to South is too much to explain away using the costs argument in a small country such as ours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭flexcon


    It's 179.9 on Campus east road for petrol at campus east wall road. Diesel is 179 at ballyfermot

    It did hit lows of 173.9 but it looks like it's averaged back up again to 176.9



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Petrol was 174.9 in Go Old Cabra Road on Monday, it has gone up to 179.9 as of today.

    The nearby Circle K's are all at 184.9 for petrol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Mimikyu


    Diesel back up to 199.9 in the two closest garages to me. 195.9 a bit further out.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    174 in Enniscrone. Interesting to see if and when it’ll go back up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    The "price gouging" argument comes up so often but the funny thing is that virtually every aspect of fuel pricing is transparent and can be checked.

    Since the start of the war prices have be phenomenally volatile.

    Oil price has probably been the least volatile of the movable prices.

    The most volatile element is Refining.

    On 11th August diesel Refining cost was $32 and exchange rate $1.037. 159 litres in a barrel.

    The Refining element in a litre of diesel was 20c (+vat)


    Yesterday, 13 days later the Refining cost hit $58. The dollar was 99c.

    The Refining cost is 37c (+vat)


    That's a difference caused by refining and dollar exchange in 13 days of 17c + vat.


    The 4% dollar change also affects the oil price, so excluding oil price itself, exchange rate and refining is responsible for a 25c jump from last week to next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭testtech05


    While all the factors are transparent and most garages are honest there is definitely gouging going on in some areas it is undeniable.

    Our local guy has always been 8-9C higher than the average price around here. Up another 7c on diesel today up to 208.9 at no stage did he go below 190.9 he must have been very unlucky with when he got his refills.....

    Nearest town today diesel increased to 192.9 from 189 and on my way home from work I full up at 185 a town about 30 mins away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,157 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Noticed the price of diesel creeping up past petrol by 2-3 cent a litre during the week at a few places I passed in north Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Yes, yes, yes we get all that but the fact remains. Unexplainable significant differences between forecourts not a million miles apart and the old chestnut……very slow to come down…..but damn quick to go up. That poxy Station entering Bray (from the Shankhill roundabout) was static for days when all around were falling, 199.8 and never budged but then it dropped by 10cent in two moves within 12 hours a week or so ago. And like a bullet it was back up this week. Gouging bastards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Prices literally change day to day at present and some will use fuel to get people into the shops to buy coffee. Some will of course see opportunity to make an extra few quid. the beauty of giant price signs before you enter the forecourt allows you see easily who is best value. Some people think fuel differs between stations - that's simply not true.

    A busy station will get at least 3 deliveries a week. That's 3 price changes.

    But until people in the media understand the 3 variables - Oil, exchange rate & refining - you will get second rate reporting.


    Here's today's rubbish from the indo https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/blackouts-fuel-rationing-and-a-return-of-2-a-litre-at-the-pumps-41940906.html

    Diesel will go over €2 next week. Refining margins for diesel have jumped $28 in 14 days to $60! That's about 23c inc vat at the pumps. Petrol refining margins are still under $20

    Petrol will NOT go over €2. Petrol will actually stay relatively steady


    If the "journalist" did even some basic research (journalists used to do research) she would have been able to give a less scaremongering story. Buts it the indo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    Is there a price point where people would reconsidering leaving an engine to run idle for long periods of time? (20 min+)

    For me I think it would be about €5 per litre, then it would be worth the change in routine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Funny you should link that article.

    I logged onto the Indo as I do everyday and saw that Breaking News headline.

    I've been thinking of doing it for ages but that innocuous enough (by Indo standards) was the last straw for me,I deleted their app from my phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    They said it was "exclusive"


    Yep, no other media would run such misinformed rubbish. 😃


    If you have a petrol car, prices will not change much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Sounds like the government should bump the price up to €5 then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Still good value here in North County Dublin, 1.84 for diesel and 183 for petrol last night at Applegreen Station in Swords.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    that's good value? what a sad state of affairs😐️



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Huge queues at Campus East Wall Road on Friday at 179.9



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'd be curious to know how much of the financial gain was actually realised by those queueing after they went out of their way to get there and also sat there queueing



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